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Originally Posted by ASAP
What lol? I don't know about ahead of competition... their main competition is Audi and Benz. Benz actively made the decision to not produce many ICE cars and went all in with EVs... maybe its a mistake on their part but they don't pour any money into their ICE cars any more at all... so that's kind of an unfair comparison. Audi pretty much gave up on RS models sans Rs3 and a half ass Rs7 that they put no effort into for the exact same reason... they are fully focused on EVs now.
Now if we just break out M cars and say they are better than the current AMG or RS cars, sure... but that's because there is no competition around anymore... AUDI and BENZ have 0 interest in RS and AMG products at this point... as far as EVs, the VW group which includes Audi sold the most... BMW was second and Benz while 3rd saw the highest YoY growth (way more than Audi and BMW).
If we go back to the early 2000s and what M cars were offering w the E46, E39 etc... I would say that's when BMW was not only a little bit but absolute miles ahead of the competition... that's when Audis under-steered like crazy and Benzes didn't handle at all... since that time they've ALL caught up and 5 years ago your choice was C63s, Audi Rs5 and F80 M3... all of which were very equal and all had something special about them... V8, AWD or Handling... now, it's BMWs market because no one else really even tries to compete there because the market is SO tiny...
As far as regular cars... 5 series, 3 series and 7... again this is a dead market at this point so no one really cares.
SUVs, I'll give you that... BMW runs the show imho... there is nothing like the X3, X5 and X7 for the price.
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What the lol? You wrote so many words, there's nothing actually opposing what I wrote. And if BMW runs the show with SUVs, which are the best selling cars of the era, why did you lol at the beginning?
First of all, E46 and E39 were great, but so were the A4 quattros and C class of the era.
G80 and G30 are better than these, relative to the competition of their respective era.
As an example, Top Gear compared RS4 and E46M3 and picked RS4.
Is there ANY serious publication right now, where RS4/5 beats G80/82? Absolutely Impossible.
BMW has never been this comfortably ahead of Benz and Audi in terms of sales and critical acclaim as they are now, including early 2000s with E46 and E39. This is factual. Does't feel intuitive, because human nature always remember the past to be better. But this is the reality.
And sure, Audi and Benz are focusing on EVs, but clearly BMW is doing that too. The only difference is that they didn't fully abandon ICE models. BMWs EV models are: ix, ix1, ix3, i4, i5, i7. They don't have less models than Audi and Benz, they sell more than Audi and Benz, and maybe except ix3 they also beat the competition in most comparison tests. (The best selling EV among these 3 German brands is the BMW i4.)