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Originally Posted by E86Z4MC
And yet, all things considered, he can at least say he's beaten teammates of significance in equal machinery at the highest level that speaks to the level of driver he is. Without this, how can you truly discern impact of car vs driver? Out driving Alonso as a rookie is all that need be said
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I was waiting for this. Outperforming means you did better. Even with his preferential treatment and getting upgrades and Alonso's data, he still did not outscore him or win more races. We must have different definitions of beating. Max would have won the WDC if he had the same level of car his first year which is why Ham begged Toto not to sign Max. Even Lauda, who worked for MB, and knew ever intricate detail about Ham, his driving, his data, said Max was a century level talent. He never said a single superlative about Ham that way.
Let's look at their teammates:
Ham -
Alo, very good but was largely washed by the time Ham go to the team and they gave Ham preferential treatment.
Button - decent - and by the way he, himself said Max was the most talented driver he'd ever seen and he also knew ham about as well as anyone.
Ros - absolutely terrible and still beat Ham. Not in f1
Bot - got outscored by Zho and was atrocious - not in F1
Rus - maybe a top 15 driver in F1
Max
Ric - was at the time one of best drivers in F1 bar none.
Sai - a top talent still in F1
Alb - a top talent still in F1
Gas - a good driver still in F1
Per - decent driver no longer in F1
Law - not yet known
So Max has not only had more teammates, but overall the talent level was as good if not better. Max has had 3 top level talent teammates and Hamilton maybe 2 if you stretch. Max has beaten them all into submission beyond recognition. Ham on the other hand has never dismantled a teammate like Max has. Despite most of them being sub par drivers, they have stayed so close to Ham or in many cases he still needed team orders to beat Bot, and still lost 2 of 3 seasons to a guy who probably should be lucky to be in F1 because he frankly stinks.
Also worth mentioning - Sai was offered a 1 year deal at RB but apparently declined. That is the single hardest seat in F1. Odd because no one fears Hamilton as a driver but they are scared, and shake in their racing boots at the idea of racing next to him.