[imported_mega]

I highly doubt he owned a c5

[InsaneSkippy]

Originally Posted by mega

I highly doubt he owned a c5

Does that somehow affect the point he's making?:iono:

[imported_mega]

Originally Posted by InsaneSkippy

Does that somehow affect the point he's making?:iono:

yes, it does

[InsaneSkippy]

Originally Posted by mega

yes, it does

Care to explain how?

[imported_mega]

I should not have to

common sense is lost around here lately I guess

[jeremyc74]

Originally Posted by mega

I highly doubt he owned a c5

Why would you doubt it?

Do you doubt I own a 135i?

Do you doubt that I owned a GTO before that?

My family has owned 'Vettes for years. We've always had one around. Now, if you'd care to explain what the point of the question was, I'd love to hear it.

[jeremyc74]

Originally Posted by mega

I should not have to

common sense is lost around here lately I guess

So what you're saying is that you really don't have a point at all. You just felt like getting involved in something you have very little knowledge of. Carry on. :w00t:

[InsaneSkippy]

Originally Posted by mega

I should not have to

common sense is lost around here lately I guess

Please, enlighten the "slower" crowd.

[rcracer_tx]

Originally Posted by jeremyc74

Everyone is hurting right now. Even Toyota. Hopefully we'll see a drop in fuel prices that match the drop in oil prices (back below $100/brl as I'm typing this) and consumer sentiment will change a little bit.

Toyota is doing well-Toyota quarterly profits were up 32% last quarter.
http://www.cbc.ca/money/story/2007/0...yotaearns.html

On the other hand, GM LOST 15.5 BILLION DOLLARS.
http://money.cnn.com/2008/08/01/news...ex.htm?cnn=yes


What makes one car company profitable and the other a complete disaster? price, quality, design, ect. My observation while test diving the cars is confirmed with the financial problems with the companies of the cars that felt like pieces of crap. What did you base your position on except false statements?

[jeremyc74]

Originally Posted by rcracer_tx

Toyota is doing well-Toyota quarterly profits were up 32% last quarter.
http://www.cbc.ca/money/story/2007/0...yotaearns.html

On the other hand, GM LOST 15.5 BILLION DOLLARS.
http://money.cnn.com/2008/08/01/news...ex.htm?cnn=yes


What makes one car company profitable and the other a complete disaster? price, quality, design, ect. My observation while test diving the cars is confirmed with the financial problems with the companies of the cars that felt like pieces of crap. What did you base your position on except false statements?

Oh Gawd...this is like shooting fish in a barrel.

Check the date on your Toyota link.


Now, here's one from THIS year.

http://www.wwj.com/pages/2741899.php?

Tokyo (AP) -- Toyota's fiscal first-quarter profit plunged 28 percent from the previous year as slipping North American sales, a strong yen and rising material costs dented the earnings of the Japanese automaker.

Last month, Toyota lowered its global vehicle sales plan for this calendar year by 350,000 vehicles to 9.5 million vehicles, blaming the sluggish North American market. The pace of Toyota's growth has been slowing to a 1 percent gain this year in contrast to a 6 percent climb in 2007.

For the latest quarter, Toyota sold 2.19 million vehicles worldwide, up 1.1 percent, or 24,000 vehicles, on year.

Toyota's North American sales fell by 33,000 vehicles, or 4.3 percent, to 729,000. European sales were down by 32,000 vehicles, or 9.6 percent, to 301,000.


I base my opinion on actual ownership, not some BS test drive. GM's last few generations of vehicles had very few quality issues, and the newer (Malibu for example) models have fit, finish, and interior materials that are on par with or better than anything in their class. Oh and BTW, I own a Toyota also.

[rcracer_tx]

Originally Posted by jeremyc74

Oh Gawd...this is like shooting fish in a barrel.

Check the date on your Toyota link.


Now, here's one from THIS year.

http://www.wwj.com/pages/2741899.php?

Tokyo (AP) -- Toyota's fiscal first-quarter profit plunged 28 percent from the previous year as slipping North American sales, a strong yen and rising material costs dented the earnings of the Japanese automaker.

Last month, Toyota lowered its global vehicle sales plan for this calendar year by 350,000 vehicles to 9.5 million vehicles, blaming the sluggish North American market. The pace of Toyota's growth has been slowing to a 1 percent gain this year in contrast to a 6 percent climb in 2007.

For the latest quarter, Toyota sold 2.19 million vehicles worldwide, up 1.1 percent, or 24,000 vehicles, on year.

Toyota's North American sales fell by 33,000 vehicles, or 4.3 percent, to 729,000. European sales were down by 32,000 vehicles, or 9.6 percent, to 301,000.


I base my opinion on actual ownership, not some BS test drive. GM's last few generations of vehicles had very few quality issues, and the newer (Malibu for example) models have fit, finish, and interior materials that are on par with or better than anything in their class. Oh and BTW, I own a Toyota also.

I had to look it up really quick so that's my bad. I remember your girlfriend has a Prius...Ive actually owned a Toyota Tacoma,a Lexus sc400, and a Lexus IS 350. They are in a completely different league than the domestic competitors.

The pace of Toyota's growth has been slowing to a 1 percent gain this year in contrast to a 6 percent climb in 2007.

Toyota outsold GM for the first time last quarter. If they were equal companies toyota would be doing equally as bad

Toyota is still growing while GM is dying

Toyota is still profitable and GM is still failing. Enough said.

[jeremyc74]

Originally Posted by rcracer_tx

I had to look it up really quick so that's my bad. I remember your girlfriend has a Prius...Ive actually owned a Toyota Tacoma,a Lexus sc400, and a Lexus IS 350. They are in a completely different league than the domestic competitors.

Toyota is still profitable and GM is still failing. Enough said.

We have the Prius, and I own a Toyota truck. I also work in the auto industry, and I'm in plants for various manufacturers on a weekly basis, and work closely with the quality systems from all of them.

So what modern GM vehicles have you owned that you are basing your opinion on? Having owned both recently, I find there is very little difference in quality. As a matter of fact, my GTO was flawless, which is more than I can say for the 135i or the Prius so far.


There's no question about the fact that GM has some issues, but at this point being able to design and build quality vehicles isn't one of them. If you're not going to bother to look up the numbers before you offer an opinion, it's probably better to just leave it alone. You obivously dislike GM, and that's fine, but it's very clear that you don't have a reason based in fact for doing so.

[rcracer_tx]

I'm basing my opinions on the corvette that my father had owned (a new 2001 C5 z06.)

The transmission went out on the C5 just after the warranty expired, after it was repaired he sold it and got a e46 ///M3 and had no problems with it in the 50k+ miles he put on it before selling it.

Link to GM's amazing quality control in the structural engineering department.

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/showthread.php?t=1369957

[jeremyc74]

Originally Posted by rcracer_tx

I'm basing my opinions on the corvette that my father had owned (a new 2001 C5 z06.)

The transmission went out on the C5 just after the warranty expired, after it was repaired he sold it and got a e46 ///M3 and had no problems with it in the 50k+ miles he put on it before selling it.

Link to GM's amazing quality control in the structural engineering department.

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/showthread.php?t=1369957

Do I need to link you to one of the many fuel pump threads to prove that all manufacturers have quality control issues from time to time?


Seriously, just give it up.

[rcracer_tx]

I think your roof falling the fuck off at 60mph is in a whole different realm of failure than a fuel pump problem.

[rcracer_tx]

This still comes back to the basic principles of business, if you put out a good product your company will succeed, if you put out a bad product, your company will fail.



This is why companies like Riss Racing and BMW succeed and companies like Fibreoptix and GM fail.

[jeremyc74]

Originally Posted by rcracer_tx

I think your roof falling the fuck off at 60mph is in a whole different realm of failure than a fuel pump problem.

I agree. One leaves you with a car that won't start, the other doesn't. :wink:

[rcracer_tx]

At least with a fuel pump failure you can keep the car, if the roof FALLS OFF it's totaled. Which causes many more issues and headaches.


You can tell when your fuel pump is going bad because it takes longer to start.

When a coupe becomes a t-top in mid drive, I believe thats a safety hazard, and not just to you but anyone else on the road at the time. :wink:

[Guibo]

Losing the roof does not total the car. It's fixable. From what I've seen, most of roof delaminations showed warning signs before separation.

BMW is not perfect either. Remember the iDrive headaches when that was first released? E46 M3 con-rod bearing problems. Z8 frame warpage. Weeping M42 profile gasket. M60 Nikasil & sulphur fiasco. Etc, etc.

Toyota? They do have excellent quality control in place. But even with this, they are not immune to problems. Look up the sludge problems they've had, as just one example.

Regarding profits, I wouldn't look too much at that. A lot of that hinges on the dollar-to-yen exchange rate. More than 50% of the loss in profitability last quarter can be attributed to a stronger yen.

[ChrisK]

Originally Posted by jeremyc74

Why do you insist on making mindless statements in every single thread you post in?

Ok, stop the member bashing please. Everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion.

[imported_mega]

Originally Posted by InsaneSkippy

Please, enlighten the "slower" crowd.

because he's calling the corvettes garbage, everyone knows the c6 and z06 and zr1 are very nice cars, destroy our 1's on the track stock for stock

the z06 is a race car, really are that fast

nothing like the rest of GM's lineup, the vette and caddy interiors are almost up to European levels now, I think the cts is there now

[JB135i]

A couple bits of info from Consumer Reports, which I trust and would recommend a subscription to, both online and in print-

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/index.htm

This-

Despite Ford's improvement, U.S. brands account for almost half the models--20 of 44--on CR's list of "Least Reliable" models. Thirteen are from General Motors, 6 from Chrysler, and 1 from Ford. European makes account for 17 models, including six each from Mercedes-Benz and Volkswagen/Audi. Not all models carrying Asian nameplates are reliable, either. The Hyundai Entourage, Infiniti QX56, Mazda CX-7, Nissan Armada (4WD), Quest, and Titan (4WD), and Toyota Tundra (V8, 4WD) are all on the "Least Reliable" list.

Besides the three Toyota-built models, other notable models with declining reliability include the Chevrolet Tahoe, GMC Yukon, and Volkswagen Passat (V6).

As for European brands, signs are pointing to an overall improvement. The Audi A3, A4, and A6 are now all above average or better, as are some or all versions of the BMW 3, 5, and 7 Series. The Volvo S60 is also above average. The Porsche 911 is above average and is now recommended.

This-



And from the Corvette write up-

A supercharged ZR1 with 638 hp will be available in limited numbers. Reliability remains well below average.

Is it possible there are more people buying cars other than Corvettes because they are sick of this?

Are sales of M3's, 135i's, Caymans, IS-F's, G37's, Lotus's, 911's declining at the SAME RATE as Corvette's? Or, are these other cars increasing in sales even?

That's the real question here, not make vs. make sales figures, but sales of similar cars.