[Samurai of 2day]

I know a lot of current and former LEO hang around this thread, so I just wanted to say thank you all for what you do and the sacrifices made.

Best wishes to all the families and organizations who suffered casualties on and off duty.

Stay safe out there as best possible.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Samurai of 2day

I know a lot of current and former LEO hang around this thread, so I just wanted to say thank you all for what you do and the sacrifices made.

Best wishes to all the families and organizations who suffered casualties on and off duty.

Stay safe out there as best possible.

Much appreciated brother.

[Lady Jane]

A sign in Florida apparently.

[///d]

Originally Posted by Lady Jane

A sign in Florida apparently.



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Classy.

I'm on the fence with places that advertise and push for this kind of stuff. One one hand some folks just made a bad decision and don't deserve the hardships that follow, and on the other hand some folks deserve everything they have coming to them.

MN has Minnesota Freedom Fund which is run by anti-police, anti-law nutjobs. They intentionally find and fund the releases of repeat and violent shitbags, and then turn the blame on society when that person ends up back in jail. Not long ago they funded the release of a repeat violent offender, and a week later that person put someone in the hospital, then tried to justify their decision by saying prisons don't stop a person from being violent and incarceration's don't work, and as a community we need to stop being so shitty to drive people to be violent. While there may be some truth in saying we as society need to stop being so shitty, shitbags will still be shitbags regardless.

[UncleWede]

64 in a school zone

Should that driver still have a car/license in Ca?

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by UncleWede

64 in a school zone

Should that driver still have a car/license in Ca?

Probably not. Was school in session?

[PittsDriver]

I haven't read all 5,000 posts in this thread so apologies if it's been covered. I have a friend who is a County police officer 5 years from retirement. Due to all the insanity that has unfolded over the few years, it's become so risky to his retirement and personal reputation that he hasn't made a traffic stop in 2 years. Even wearing a body camera when making a stop, there is a fear that his administration will not support him if he has to protect himself. All of this defund the police nonsense and public scrutiny seems to have resulted in the streets being less safe than ever.

Any thoughts on this?

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by PittsDriver

I haven't read all 5,000 posts in this thread so apologies if it's been covered. I have a friend who is a County police officer 5 years from retirement. Due to all the insanity that has unfolded over the few years, it's become so risky to his retirement and personal reputation that he hasn't made a traffic stop in 2 years. Even wearing a body camera when making a stop, there is a fear that his administration will not support him if he has to protect himself. All of this defund the police nonsense and public scrutiny seems to have resulted in the streets being less safe than ever.

Any thoughts on this?

You are observing a culture shift where good cops no longer want to put themselves at risk and are choosing to preserve and safeguard their livelihood over the objective that made the large majority of us enter this profession in the first place (…e.g….taking bad guys to jail). When you don't feel supported, morale suffers. When morale suffers, you do the bare minimum or little to nothing at all. When you do the bare minimum, complacency sets in and you simply stop caring. When you stop caring, buoyed by laws that are too lax/pro-criminal, the community suffers as criminals run amuck. It has become a lawless free-for-all in every blue state/city in the union.

[Murf the Surf]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

You are observing a culture shift where good cops no longer want to put themselves at risk and are choosing to preserve and safeguard their livelihood over the objective that made the large majority of us enter this profession in the first place (…e.g….taking bad guys to jail). When you don't feel supported, morale suffers. When morale suffers, you do the bare minimum or little to nothing at all. When you do the bare minimum, complacency sets in and you simply stop caring. When you stop caring, buoyed by laws that are too lax/pro-criminal, the community suffers as criminals run amuck. It has become a lawless free-for-all in every blue state/city in the union.

Well said, I can tell you this has been a growing sentiment for the last 20 years or so as more and more political correctness seeps into society and administration.

[dmatre]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

You are observing a culture shift where good cops no longer want to put themselves at risk and are choosing to preserve and safeguard their livelihood over the objective that made the large majority of us enter this profession in the first place (…e.g….taking bad guys to jail). When you don't feel supported, morale suffers. When morale suffers, you do the bare minimum or little to nothing at all. When you do the bare minimum, complacency sets in and you simply stop caring. When you stop caring, buoyed by laws that are too lax/pro-criminal, the community suffers as criminals run amuck. It has become a lawless free-for-all in every blue state/city in the union.

I can't argue with anything you state here ... up until you imply that it is only the blue states suffering lawlessness. In actuality, the murder rate is higher in red states than blue. Not debating causality, only pointing out that politics is not as big a factor in lawlessness as you have implied.

[PittsDriver]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

You are observing a culture shift where good cops no longer want to put themselves at risk and are choosing to preserve and safeguard their livelihood over the objective that made the large majority of us enter this profession in the first place (…e.g….taking bad guys to jail). When you don't feel supported, morale suffers. When morale suffers, you do the bare minimum or little to nothing at all. When you do the bare minimum, complacency sets in and you simply stop caring. When you stop caring, buoyed by laws that are too lax/pro-criminal, the community suffers as criminals run amuck. It has become a lawless free-for-all in every blue state/city in the union.

So where does that leave the well meaning police officer where every encounter he/she has there is a gun involved - because they brought it to the encounter. My friend's position is that he would just about rather have all police officers not carry a firearm if it means that drawing it on someone is likely to end their career and cost them their life savings in the civil suit.

[UncleWede]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Probably not. Was school in session?

Yes, school in session. That's 39 over. At least Reckless?

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by PittsDriver

So where does that leave the well meaning police officer where every encounter he/she has there is a gun involved - because they brought it to the encounter. My friend's position is that he would just about rather have all police officers not carry a firearm if it means that drawing it on someone is likely to end their career and cost them their life savings in the civil suit.

It's silly to assert that being a police officer without a firearm in the U.S. is the better idea. If that's his position, he needs to get off the beat ASAP. No way would I deal with these savages and not have a firearm in my possession.

Originally Posted by dmatre

I can't argue with anything you state here ... up until you imply that it is only the blue states suffering lawlessness. In actuality, the murder rate is higher in red states than blue. Not debating causality, only pointing out that politics is not as big a factor in lawlessness as you have implied.

I said blue states/cities, meaning either or. My point was that Democrat-run states and/or cities are where majority of the crime occurs. Most crime stats have…

• Detroit, Michigan
• New Orleans (and Baton Rouge), Louisiana
• Baltimore, Maryland
• Memphis, Tennessee
• Cleveland, Ohio
• Kansas City, Missouri
• Chicago, Illinois
• Los Angeles, California

….as being really high crime areas in the nation and all are either blue states or blue cities in red states.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by UncleWede

Yes, school in session. That's 39 over. At least Reckless?

It could be articulated as such.

[PittsDriver]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

It could be articulated as such.

In Maryland we have a 3 tier possibility of add on violations: negligent driving, reckless driving, and reckless endangerment. It's my understanding that you can get the negligent driving citation and be sent on your way whereas the other more serious levels require a popo uber ride to the graybar hotel and an impounded vehicle.

[vreihen16]

I was just coming home from picking up the Mighty Dodge from the shop, and a flatbed passed in the opposite direction with our town's police SUV on it heading towards the town garage. Looks like it took a hit on the driver's side, between the B-pillar and rear door. It didn't appear that the crash was severe enough to pop the giant marshmallows, and I suspect that the only injury will be a whole lot of writer's cramps from all of the accident report paperwork.....

[Murf the Surf]

Originally Posted by vreihen16

I was just coming home from picking up the Mighty Dodge from the shop, and a flatbed passed in the opposite direction with our town's police SUV on it heading towards the town garage. Looks like it took a hit on the driver's side, between the B-pillar and rear door. It didn't appear that the crash was severe enough to pop the giant marshmallows, and I suspect that the only injury will be a whole lot of writer's cramps from all of the accident report paperwork.....

I do not miss the paperwork.

[Lady Jane]

Probably just an expired tag.

[Jklotz]

Originally Posted by Lady Jane

Probably just an expired tag.


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Now that is funny!

[floridaorange]

There's a shooting/killing nearly every night here in central florida in the morning paper. Is that normal nowadays?

What goes on overnight that most of us sleeping are unaware of?

Do you think home alarms should be set every night?

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by floridaorange

There's a shooting/killing nearly every night here in central florida in the morning paper. Is that normal nowadays?

What goes on overnight that most of us sleeping are unaware of?

Do you think home alarms should be set every night?

Alarms are great. While alarms aren't always a deterrent, it's better than nothing. If nothing else it can warn you in a situation where you might not have recognized a threat.

As to the other questions…..


….there has been a significant shift towards lawlessness and that is the "new normal." People are so emboldened to commit criminal acts and states like mine don't prosecute; there's very little fear of punishment. At least you live in the state that's leading the movement. Your Governor is wicked awesome, your laws are pro-2A, you can stand your ground and your LEO community feels appreciated.

[PittsDriver]

Several years ago someone tried to come into our home at 4:30am through a walk-out basement window. We were alerted when our alarm panel went off in our bedroom. I got up, turned on all the lights and chambered a round in my .45 and from the top of the stairs yelled that the police were on their way. The alarm company called within seconds and I confirmed they should dispatch. Then the officer arrived about 5 minutes later, I stowed my firearm and answered the door. We discovered the basement window had been jimmied open and there were tracks in the landscaping there. Pretty effing bold to do that with us home.

I credit having the system armed with preventing what could have been a much worse experience.