[Mattl0806]

Originally Posted by Jen4BMW

In the new G45 M50 I want a new sporty exterior design, new colors, optional AS and/or better comfort and handling, a new interesting, upscale interior that includes climate buttons and better X5 like seats.

If they offered the 50e hybrid power train in the G45 that would also peek my interest.

I am on my 3rd X3 and M40i lease is up in September. I’ve grown really bored with the X3 overall. Come on BMW… release your pics and stop playing the suspense game. This isn’t a new Ferrari. Your just hurting yourself at this point.

They are definitely going to copy cat the rest ot the interiors.
IMO - No way we are getting buttons. Id also say no way on AS. Maybe they upgrade the interior seating and give massage option or something but I’ve got very low expectations at this point

[Jen4BMW]

I totally agree Matt.

I follow all things BMW really close and personally I am not expecting anything really enticing coming with the new G45.

My prediction is they’ll land with a good not great looking X3 that is generally conservative, safe and not particularly polarizing.

The problem for BMW is how do they get people like me coming off lease to plunk down money for a new lease plus take on $200 more per month in payments….unless they surprise and delight with noticeably better performance and handling.

The Macan blows the X3 and X5’s out of the water in the handling department. If they could level that playing field with a good design, color choices (please no more grey) and better performance I’d pull my check book out.

[Mattl0806]

Originally Posted by Jen4BMW

I totally agree Matt.

I follow all things BMW really close and personally I am not expecting anything really enticing coming with the new G45.

My prediction is they’ll land with a good not great looking X3 that is generally conservative, safe and not particularly polarizing.

The problem for BMW is how do they get people like me coming off lease to plunk down money for a new lease plus take on $200 more per month in payments….unless they surprise and delight with noticeably better performance and handling.

The Macan blows the X3 and X5’s out of the water in the handling department. If they could level that playing field with a good design, color choices (please no more grey) and better performance I’d pull my check book out.

I struggle to say the Macan is soo much better. It’s very small, and the powertrains are really in a distance 2nd compared to the B58. The worse tech and lack of idrive leave it far behind there too. But, the suspension is better. The seats are better. Therefore the ride is both A LOT more comfortable and better which does help overcome the other deficiencies quite a bit. Porsche suspension in the bmw would be a dream.

[Jen4BMW]

Originally Posted by Mattl0806

I struggle to say the Macan is soo much better. It’s very small, and the powertrains are really in a distance 2nd compared to the B58. The worse tech and lack of idrive leave it far behind there too. But, the suspension is better. The seats are better. Therefore the ride is both A LOT more comfortable and better which does help overcome the other deficiencies quite a bit. Porsche suspension in the bmw would be a dream.

I mostly agree with you Matt. For me I prefer the size and looks of the Macan over the M40i. The Porsche Macan S Power train is a distant 2nd I agree as is the Macan tech although you do at least get haptic buttons. If there wasn’t a $20K+ price gap I’d buy a Macan S over a G45 but +$90K is a hefty Porsche tax.

[EWL5]

So no one is bothered by the reduction in cargo capacity from 28.7 ft3 to 20 ft3?!!!

[internalaudit]

Originally Posted by EWL5

So no one is bothered by the reduction in cargo capacity from 28.7 ft3 to 20 ft3?!!!

Specs are out?

[Xtabi]

Originally Posted by EWL5

So no one is bothered by the reduction in cargo capacity from 28.7 ft3 to 20 ft3?!!!

Where did you see that info?

[EWL5]

Originally Posted by internalaudit

Specs are out?

Originally Posted by Xtabi

Where did you see that info?

From first post of this thread:
Specifications:
- Length: 4755mm
- Width w/o mirrors: 1920mm
- Height: 1660mm
- Wheelbase: 2865mm
- Leg Room: 1021mm front, 923mm rear
- Luggage volume: 570l/1700l
- Curb weight: 20dx - 1890kg, 20x - 1855kg, M50x EU - 1980kg, 30x US - 1894kg, M50x US - 2057kg
- Towing capacity: 20dx, M50x EU - 2500kg, 20x - 2400kg, 30x US - 1815kg, M50x US - 2200kg
- Tires: 225/60R18 square base models, 30x - 245/50R19 square, M50x - 255/45R20 front + 285/40R20 rear or 255/40R21+285/35R21.

Max Well put it into a spreadsheet in post #20 to convert from Metric to US customary units (and I confirmed the cargo conversion!). If the info is valid, that puts the new cargo space at less than the current GLC (which was tiny at 21.9 ft3 to begin with)! The very tiny Lexus NX has 22.7 ft3 of cargo!

Edit: Looking at the spreadsheet again, it could be how EU reports cargo area vs the EPA in the US. The outgoing cargo shows 19.42 ft3 so it's actually a net increase to the new gen. This makes much more sense!

[Max Well]

Originally Posted by EWL5

From first post of this thread:
Specifications: ...

Max Well put it into a spreadsheet in post #20 to convert from Metric to US customary units (and I confirmed the cargo conversion!). If the info is valid, that puts the new cargo space at less than the current GLC (which was tiny at 21.9 ft3 to begin with)! The very tiny Lexus NX has 22.7 ft3 of cargo!

Edit: Looking at the spreadsheet again, it could be how EU reports cargo area vs the EPA in the US. The outgoing cargo shows 19.42 ft3 so it's actually a net increase to the new gen. This makes much more sense!

'Cargo Vol' numbers remain confusing to me as I've tried over the years to understand the variation in reporting. I don't know how many times I've researched 'L to cubic ft' conversion yet always come up with the same values and the frequent disparities in calculations vs reported from EU to US.

I discussed this uncertainty in post #3 of my 'F97 X3MC & G81 M3C Touring – some specs compared' thread as well [ https://x3.xbimmers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2069863 ].

Just like 'Curb Wt' between DIN, EU, US brings confusion, it would be helpful if an Intl standard for reporting specs could be adopted by all Mnfrs to help consumers fully understand differences. Then again, the Mnfr firms may not want the data to be clear...

[EWL5]

Originally Posted by Max Well

'Cargo Vol' numbers remain confusing to me as I've tried over the years to understand the variation in reporting. I don't know how many times I've researched 'L to cubic ft' conversion yet always come up with the same values and the frequent disparities in calculations vs reported from EU to US.

I discussed this uncertainty in post #3 of my 'F97 X3MC & G81 M3C Touring – some specs compared' thread as well [ https://x3.xbimmers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2069863 ].

Just like 'Curb Wt' between DIN, EU, US brings confusion, it would be helpful if an Intl standard for reporting specs could be adopted by all Mnfrs to help consumers fully understand differences. Then again, the Mnfr firms may not want the data to be clear...

Even if the basis for calculating the cargo volume is unclear, at least you have the outgoing and incoming generations on the same sheet to compare against each other on a relative scale. Based on that, we can expect a measly 4% increase to the trunk!

[Xtabi]

ynguldyn heads-up on your post at the top of this thread indicates the new X3 will get ID8. In one of the videos I watched where the BMW rep rode along he indicated it was ID9.

I don't know which is correct but wanted to pass that along.

Edit: ID9 is stated at the 18:05 mark of this video:

[EWL5]

Originally Posted by Xtabi

ynguldyn heads-up on your post at the top of this thread indicates the new X3 will get ID8. In one of the videos I watched where the BMW rep rode along he indicated it was ID9.

I don't know which is correct but wanted to pass that along.

Edit: ID9 is stated at the 18:05 mark of this video:

I don't think that's correct. My understanding is that iDrive9 is meant for cars that don't have the rotary controller (which the X3 clearly maintains in the next gen)!

[Joralemon st.]

Originally Posted by EWL5

From first post of this thread:
Specifications:
- Length: 4755mm
- Width w/o mirrors: 1920mm
- Height: 1660mm
- Wheelbase: 2865mm
- Leg Room: 1021mm front, 923mm rear
- Luggage volume: 570l/1700l
- Curb weight: 20dx - 1890kg, 20x - 1855kg, M50x EU - 1980kg, 30x US - 1894kg, M50x US - 2057kg
- Towing capacity: 20dx, M50x EU - 2500kg, 20x - 2400kg, 30x US - 1815kg, M50x US - 2200kg
- Tires: 225/60R18 square base models, 30x - 245/50R19 square, M50x - 255/45R20 front + 285/40R20 rear or 255/40R21+285/35R21.

Max Well put it into a spreadsheet in post #20 to convert from Metric to US customary units (and I confirmed the cargo conversion!). If the info is valid, that puts the new cargo space at less than the current GLC (which was tiny at 21.9 ft3 to begin with)! The very tiny Lexus NX has 22.7 ft3 of cargo!

Edit: Looking at the spreadsheet again, it could be how EU reports cargo area vs the EPA in the US. The outgoing cargo shows 19.42 ft3 so it's actually a net increase to the new gen. This makes much more sense!

Good god, so according to this there will be no increase in legroom, in fact it's being reduced(by a 1mm). What is the point of this being sized up when the legroom remains as poor as it is in G01?..

[EWL5]

Originally Posted by Joralemon st.

Good god, so according to this there will be no increase in legroom, in fact it's being reduced(by a 1mm). What is the point of this being sized up when the legroom remains as poor as it is in G01?..

Car makes are realizing you can change the exterior size (closer to midsize) while keeping the interior "same" (compact class). They are hedging but this has never amounted to increased sales....just confusion!

[Joralemon st.]

Originally Posted by EWL5

Car makes are realizing you can change the exterior size (closer to midsize) while keeping the interior "same" (compact class). They are hedging but this has never amounted to increased sales....just confusion!

Well yea, because why??)

[Equilibrandt]

Originally Posted by Joralemon st.

Good god, so according to this there will be no increase in legroom, in fact it's being reduced(by a 1mm). What is the point of this being sized up when the legroom remains as poor as it is in G01?..

This point comes up a lot in the compact SUV space.

IMHO, it's that BMW has decided they've reached the perfect leg room characteristic for this subclass of compact SUVs; they take all additional size gains and put them in the trunk space.

When a compact SUV changes size externally, I'd be willing to bet that 99% of the time, that space is increased trunk capacity (more often than not for batteries) or increased engine bay/hood length to fit additional mild hybrid additions.

[internalaudit]

Originally Posted by Equilibrandt

This point comes up a lot in the compact SUV space.

IMHO, it's that BMW has decided they've reached the perfect leg room characteristic for this subclass of compact SUVs; they take all additional size gains and put them in the trunk space.

When a compact SUV changes size externally, I'd be willing to bet that 99% of the time, that space is increased trunk capacity (more often than not for batteries) or increased engine bay/hood length to fit additional mild hybrid additions.

I don't mind the widening, wider track makes for better stability anyway haha.

You are right. No one's tall in my family and we fit perfectly okay in a CT200h. I would rather have more cargo space, which is what the utility of a CUV/SAV is for anyway, besides the higher ride height (what my wife loves) and ground clearance.

[Joralemon st.]

Originally Posted by Equilibrandt

This point comes up a lot in the compact SUV space.

IMHO, it's that BMW has decided they've reached the perfect leg room characteristic for this subclass of compact SUVs; they take all additional size gains and put them in the trunk space.

When a compact SUV changes size externally, I'd be willing to bet that 99% of the time, that space is increased trunk capacity (more often than not for batteries) or increased engine bay/hood length to fit additional mild hybrid additions.

I guess. Sucks though — that was the one area where the GLC was superior to the X3 — I could move that seat back sooo much further. Hated everything else about it though))

I'm 6.1 and normally I'm fine in the X3, but if it's a long drive, my knees start to complain.

[EWL5]

Originally Posted by Joralemon st.

I'm 6.1 and normally I'm fine in the X3, but if it's a long drive, my knees start to complain.

Are your thigh extenders fully extended?

[internalaudit]

Anyone know if the M Sport Different (2T4) is different from the standard rear axle lock differential? From what I've come across online, the former is a torque vectoring differential while the latter is more like a 4WD wherein the two wheels on the rear axle are locked and power is split 50/50.

Is my understanding correct and is that going to be used only during off-roading? Thank you.


https://www.bmwblog.com/2024/04/14/2...ssis-and-more/

If you’re an enthusiast, you probably are only really wondering how the M Performance version of the G45 X3 feels. Lucky for you, we got firsthand experience there, too. All those cool changes we just mentioned for the PHEV version get further tweaked for the M Performance variant (likely to be dubbed the X3 M50). Plus, it gets a rear axle lock differential, stiffer springs, performance-oriented struts, and re-tuned steering. Adaptive suspension is optional.

[Joralemon st.]

Originally Posted by EWL5

Are your thigh extenders fully extended?

Always! I have long legs.

[Siemak]

Specifications:
- Length: 4755mm
- Width w/o mirrors: 1920mm
- Height: 1660mm
- Wheelbase: 2865mm
- Leg Room: 1021mm front, 923mm rear
- Luggage volume: 570l/1700l
- Curb weight: 20dx - 1890kg, 20x - 1855kg, M50x EU - 1980kg, 30x US - 1894kg, M50x US - 2057kg
- Towing capacity: 20dx, M50x EU - 2500kg, 20x - 2400kg, 30x US - 1815kg, M50x US - 2200kg
- Tires: 225/60R18 square base models, 30x - 245/50R19 square, M50x - 255/45R20 front + 285/40R20 rear or 255/40R21+285/35R21.


Is there any confirmed information, that 3 liters diesel engines (in G01 marked as 3.0d and 4.0d) will be offered in Europe?