BMW M Committed to Manual Transmissions on M2, M3, M4 as Long as Take Rates Justifies

pz619 · 07-30-2018, 05:28 PM

Maybe a better way of putting it is: 50% of US M2 buyers don't believe the DCT is worth $2900 over the standard gearbox. Is this a statement we can agree with?

ScreamingChicken · 07-30-2018, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by pz619

Maybe a better way of putting it is: 50% of US M2 buyers don't believe the DCT is worth $2900 over the standard gearbox. Is this a statement we can agree with?

Yes

HellRaizzer · 07-30-2018, 06:14 PM

Hallefuckinglujah!!!!!!

Arcades · 07-30-2018, 06:49 PM

Least we don't have to drive a CVT.

Last time I test drove one it was... Let me just say. Hell no. The way Honda CVT pretends it's shifting is hilarious.

CalCarNut · 07-30-2018, 07:16 PM

CVTs are biggest piles of horse manure made.

barnsdale · 07-30-2018, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by mtoosexy

Hahahaha... whatever you gotta tell yourself to make you feel better about your "decision"...
I would pay $5K more for a MT.

Agree with you - this guy saying the take rate would be the same is wrong.

6MT for the win. Would easily pay more to get the man card status.

JSP · 07-30-2018, 08:16 PM

I wish BMW would take a more proactive approach and save the manual with innovation. Imagine a manual with "torque fill" during shifts so you're not losing out against the DCT counterpart. Imagine a semi-auto mode for when you're tired and stuck in city traffic. Both can be achieved by electrifying the transmission.

mtoosexy · 07-30-2018, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by pz619

Maybe a better way of putting it is: 50% of US M2 buyers don't believe the DCT is worth $2900 over the standard gearbox. Is this a statement we can agree with?

...sorta but no... autotrans actually makes me think $2900 less of the car, if that makes sense. I wouldn't buy the automatic even if it was the mega-discount option!

elinstylez · 07-30-2018, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by pz619

Maybe a better way of putting it is: 50% of US M2 buyers don't believe the DCT is worth $2900 over the standard gearbox. Is this a statement we can agree with?

I'd still pick the manual even if DCT was the same price.

antzcrashing · 07-30-2018, 09:54 PM

Now tell us we can have MT with AWD...

dmboone25 · 07-30-2018, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ORIGIN M.

Nice to know considering they've gotten really cheap in so many other areas.

M-DCT is now being replaced by an eight speed automatic.

I HATE this trend...they're supposed to be the best engineers, so figure out how to make the DCT work with additional BHP. Porsche does it...

I am not impressed by any of the ZF cars I've driven...the shifts, especially down, appear to be in slow motion compared to the DCTs or PDK I have owned.

ORIGIN M. · 07-31-2018, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by dmboone25

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Originally Posted by ORIGIN M.

Nice to know considering they've gotten really cheap in so many other areas.

M-DCT is now being replaced by an eight speed automatic.

I HATE this trend...they're supposed to be the best engineers, so figure out how to make the DCT work with additional BHP. Porsche does it...

I am not impressed by any of the ZF cars I've driven...the shifts, especially down, appear to be in slow motion compared to the DCTs or PDK I have owned.

Yep.

ORIGIN M. · 07-31-2018, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by JSP

I wish BMW would take a more proactive approach and save the manual with innovation. Imagine a manual with "torque fill" during shifts so you're not losing out against the DCT counterpart. Imagine a semi-auto mode for when you're tired and stuck in city traffic. Both can be achieved by electrifying the transmission.

Torque Fill (I swear Chris Harris, coined the phrase) is where an eMotor spools up before the turbo does, eliminating turbo lag, on a hybrid drivetrain.

Like on one of the three holy Trinity's.

The Porsche 918 Spyder
Ferrari La Ferrari
McLaren P1

mtoosexy · 07-31-2018, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by antzcrashing

Now tell us we can have MT with AWD...

I will pass on that, I'm tired of all wheel drive. I want to do some hoolagan-ing!!

testdriver · 07-31-2018, 02:36 AM

BMW get my LOVE

JSP · 08-01-2018, 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by ORIGIN M.

Torque Fill (I swear Chris Harris, coined the phrase) is where an eMotor spools up before the turbo does, eliminating turbo lag, on a hybrid drivetrain.

Like on one of the three holy Trinity's.

The Porsche 918 Spyder
Ferrari La Ferrari
McLaren P1

Fully aware of that, hence the quotation marks. I don’t know if there’s a name for the feature I’m describing, but it fills the gap in power transmission during shifts.

ORIGIN M. · 08-01-2018, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by JSP

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Originally Posted by ORIGIN M.

Torque Fill (I swear Chris Harris, coined the phrase) is where an eMotor spools up before the turbo does, eliminating turbo lag, on a hybrid drivetrain.

Like on one of the three holy Trinity's.

The Porsche 918 Spyder
Ferrari La Ferrari
McLaren P1

Fully aware of that, hence the quotation marks. I don't know if there's a name for the feature I'm describing, but it fills the gap in power transmission during shifts.

BMW just needs to add a eDrive unit to the tranny.

And you can expect that in short order.

Problem solved.

10" · 08-01-2018, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Cortexiphan

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Originally Posted by 10"

Eh...Van Meel is an Audi guy through and through. Audi totally ditched the manual when he was there——he's gonna do the same thing at BMW. He said the same crap when he was at Audi. Prior to him being head of quattro GmbH the TT-RS was manual and dsg. By the time he got done with Audi NOTHING was manual anymore...

It doesn't matter what he did at Audi. Every company is different.

We are seeing an AWD M5. Not every company is different. It all depends on personnel and Van Meek is a total Audi guy...he spent his entire career at Audi you better bet he's bringing Audi to BMW.

Draper · 08-01-2018, 10:04 AM

I love the backhanded dig at the end.

..."if you really want to go slower and use more fuel, we won't stop you."

JSP · 08-01-2018, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ORIGIN M.

BMW just needs to add a eDrive unit to the tranny.

And you can expect that in short order.

Problem solved.

That's optimistic. I hope you're right!

If hybrid capability isn't needed, the energy storage requirement would be extremely low. Even a slow 1st-2nd shift would be done under two seconds, so the system only needs a tiny battery or maybe a capacitor.

Terraphantm · 08-04-2018, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by 10"

We are seeing an AWD M5. Not every company is different. It all depends on personnel and Van Meek is a total Audi guy...he spent his entire career at Audi you better bet he's bringing Audi to BMW.

AWD M5 was in the works before Van Meel joined BMW.

Nikolas · 08-04-2018, 10:14 AM

My 82 year old mom can drive a manual. It's not rocket science, just more fun! I'm pretty sure women like to have fun too.

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