[DS_BMW]

It's crazy how the rear widened fenders are better inegrated into the rear doors than G80 and F80. For 40k!


Did they announce the colors available?

[Red Bread]

As for the available colors, the official names are Championship White, Rallye Red, Sonic Gray Pearl, Crystal Black Pearl, and Boost Blue Pearl.

[supra93]

https://www.civicxi.com/forum/thread...rochure.50915/

[Capt Canuck]

Be interesting to see how many they produce, especially with that rando from Quebec's "insider info" floating around. Planning on getting a MY25, but we'll see

[G30M]

I'm still waiting for the Nurburgring lap.

Anyone knows if/when it will be released?

[G30M]

Originally Posted by supra93

https://www.civicxi.com/forum/thread...rochure.50915/

I drive a 2012 Subaru Legacy putting out (almost*) the same!

*221 @5600/ 400 @2000-4800 rpm

[ShocknAwe]

Cool car always been a fan.

[damnitBobby]

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a4...pecs-revealed/

315hp and 310tq

[G30M]

Originally Posted by damnitBobby

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a4...pecs-revealed/

315hp and 310tq

so many legends in that post!

as in not factual

[damnitBobby]

Originally Posted by G80M4

so many legends in that post!

as in not factual

Are you saying the numbers they are reporting are incorrect?

[Burrcold]

Originally Posted by damnitBobby

Are you saying the numbers they are reporting are incorrect?

Yeah I was confused by that post as well...

[Humdizzle]

DCT in this thing would be pretty awesome. knowing honda they will probably cheap out and not offer one. im guessing the type r will still have the same rev hang issue the Si does due to emissions.

[G30M]

Originally Posted by damnitBobby

Are you saying the numbers they are reporting are incorrect?

they say the hp and tq with confidence, everything else they say they're guessing

[Burrcold]

Originally Posted by Humdizzle

DCT in this thing would be pretty awesome. knowing honda they will probably cheap out and not offer one. im guessing the type r will still have the same rev hang issue the Si does due to emissions.

Unlikely. The whole reason the Si has rev hang is because it uses a dual mass flywheel. The Type R has always used a single mass flywheel, and it's lighter for this new version, so it should rev even more freely.

[Humdizzle]

Originally Posted by Burrcold

Unlikely. The whole reason the Si has rev hang is because it uses a dual mass flywheel. The Type R has always used a single mass flywheel, and it's lighter for this new version, so it should rev even more freely.

thats what i thought too but then googled these articles:

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...-for-a-reason/

[Burrcold]

Originally Posted by Humdizzle

thats what i thought too but then googled these articles:

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...-for-a-reason/

Yes I've seen rev hang for that reason, but I don't think that's what Honda did with the Si. Especially since they reduced it greatly in the 11th gen Si (10th gen Si was terrible for it). Again, I'd say it's all related to the DMF rather than emissions. Even the 10th gen Type R had no rev hang...it would be blasphemous and DOA if they introduced even a hint of it.

[nicholasn]

Originally Posted by Burrcold

Unlikely. The whole reason the Si has rev hang is because it uses a dual mass flywheel. The Type R has always used a single mass flywheel, and it's lighter for this new version, so it should rev even more freely.

The rev hang he's talking about is programmed in due to various asinine emissions requirements. My 2009 GTI would hang when shifted below 3,000 rpm, both before and after I put the single-mass flywheel in it. However, above 3,000 rpm there was no rev hang as I assume VW programmed it so that there was no hang at higher engine speeds. Revs will fall more slowly with a dual mass flywheel, but they won't actually hang there artificially.

[Burrcold]

Originally Posted by nicholasn

The rev hang he's talking about is programmed in due to various asinine emissions requirements. My 2009 GTI would hang when shifted below 3,000 rpm, both before and after I put the single-mass flywheel in it. However, above 3,000 rpm there was no rev hang as I assume VW programmed it so that there was no hang at higher engine speeds. Revs will fall more slowly with a dual mass flywheel, but they won't actually hang there artificially.

The Si when fitted with a single mass flywheel doesn't have any rev hang anymore, although you will get chatter.

[chris719]

Originally Posted by Burrcold

The Si when fitted with a single mass flywheel doesn't have any rev hang anymore, although you will get chatter.

I'd love to see it. This is definitely software and not the flywheel. It's in many, many modern cars. Lots of older cars with dual mass flywheels have zero rev hang. The E46 M3 and Z4M have S54 engines with DMF and have zero rev hang. The revs actually drop too quickly to shift smoothly at times because the gearbox is so clunky.

[Burrcold]

Originally Posted by chris719

I'd love to see it. This is definitely software and not the flywheel. It's in many, many modern cars. Lots of older cars with dual mass flywheels have zero rev hang. The E46 M3 and Z4M have S54 engines with DMF and have zero rev hang. The revs actually drop too quickly to shift smoothly at times because the gearbox is so clunky.

There's a lot of people on the Civic forums who have switched to a SMF and it eliminated the rev hang issue. You can also tune it out but it doesn't go away completely. I understand that it's software RELATED but the hardware component is what needs to be changed (as long as you don't care about emissions). There's a reason why the Type R has a SMF.

[F80Noob]

$42,895 MSRP... Local dealer near me wanted $7500 adm plus all the accessories they could slap on it.

[damnitBobby]

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a4...ype-r-pricing/

$44k base price

That's a lot of money for a civic. Not very interested in this car any more.