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So how fast is it w/o using launch control?" asked Desmolicious. This was the first reply when Straightline broke the news that the 2010 Nissan GT-R would not be available with the launch control feature that helps the car get some pretty amazing times. Turns out that this sort of thing -- electronically dumping the clutch on a 480-hp, AWD car with the revs way up -- could do some pretty serious damage to the gearbox as well as the tires. "We just don't want to deal with the warranty nightmare anymore. It'll make the 2009 GT-R really special. It'll be the only R35 with launch control." Said a ranking Nissan Exec.

There's been a lot of speculation on the performance, but we have data loggers and test drivers and a closed test facility, we don't need to speculate. Last week we put our 2009 Nissan GT-R back on the starting line, this time without launch control. Follow the jump for the numbers.

With:
0-30: 1.61
0-45: 2.64
0-60 (with 1 foot of rollout like on a dragstrip): 3.53
0-60: 3.83
0-75: 5.29
1/4 mile @ mph: 11.77 @ 118.63

Without LC:
0-30: 2.3
0-45: 3.2
0-60 (with 1 foot of rollout like on a dragstrip): 4.0
0-60: 4.3
0-75: 5.8
1/4 mile @ mph: 12.3 @ 118.5

Comments: "After trying every combination of suspension settings, shift protocol, automatic and manual shift, and traction control, I tried a completely default run (Normal: shift, suspension, trac) and it effectively tied my all-R / Manual shifted run. Big bog out of the hole, but then it goes like stink."

The Blue line represents the GT-R w/ launch control, the red line is w/o.

There you have it. 4.3 instead of 3.83.

Let the GT-R bashing begin!

Mike Magrath, Vehicle Testing Assistant @ 13,185 miles

http://blogs.edmunds.com/roadtests/2...trol.html#more

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That's huge. That's worse than I expected. Obviously 0-60 isn't everything, but without LC it can't break into the 11's anymore. It can't even break the 4 second barrier. In fact, this means that the ZR1 can now take the GTR off the line as well.

It's still a godlike car and I wish I had one.

[gonzo]

Go get you one and I will get the Z06. Line em' up.

The way Nissan is handling, or lack there of, these issues seems to show me a rush to market attitude. R&D is crucial Nissan.

And how special is the 09' if you are not supposed to even use the LC? Way thumbs down.

What do you think the majority buyer will get on 0-60? I guess closer to 5.

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Haha I'm down for it.^

I'm pretty sure even a C63 can break the 4 second barrier with a 1 foot rollout...

[Big Windy]

Wow, that is indeed interesting. I can't believe that Nissan didn't see this "warranty nightmare" coming sooner. Poor planning and poor R&D. Not only is there a significant loss from 0-60, but I think that taking the 1/4 into the 12s has a bigger psychological affect. I'm sure more reviews and more comparisons will be out soon enough.

[rawedge2]

From Liars to Indian-Givers..

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Originally Posted by Big Windy

Wow, that is indeed interesting. I can't believe that Nissan didn't see this "warranty nightmare" coming sooner. Poor planning and poor R&D. Not only is there a significant loss from 0-60, but I think that taking the 1/4 into the 12s has a bigger psychological affect. I'm sure more reviews and more comparisons will be out soon enough.

I'm sure Nissan knew about the horrible transmission issues. There's no way they couldn't have, given that they extensively tested the car. They could very well have planned this all along. Ship out the first batch of GTRs, give em launch control, have the mags give amazing reviews, build a legendary name, then BAM, take it away.

[gonzo]

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[xxForgedxx]

I'd like the car a lot more if it didn't have exotic like maintenance and repair costs. $18,000 for a transmission? and using a launch control forces it to crap out? Hell in an EVO you can make that kind of power and still have a transmission left after a slipped clutch dump and tromp that 1/4 mile time. That car just became overpriced, especially when you compare it to a C6 Corvette (not even ZO6) which I believe hits the same 1/4 mile times. For umm, about $47,000-50k.

[footie]

These figures are only slightly better than an M3, the only thing is that the higher the speed (above 120mph) the GTR will be a lot quicker and LC has no bearing on it's exceptional handling ability.

Regardless of the above figures, it is still worth the £1500 more than we currently pay for an M3 over here.

[ponch_ki]

oh god.. with these stuff coming up about the GTR... i thank God i didnt get one... I was really realllllyyyyyy close in getting one instead of the M3.

[Richardo]

There's probably going to be a new progman version too!

[footie]

Originally Posted by Bimmer Loyalist

I'm sure Nissan knew about the horrible transmission issues. There's no way they couldn't have, given that they extensively tested the car. They could very well have planned this all along. Ship out the first batch of GTRs, give em launch control, have the mags give amazing reviews, build a legendary name, then BAM, take it away.

I would assume that took a gamble that no one would be so stupid to do continues standing starts with LC. But they didn't take into account the rich daddies who had footed the bill for the GTR so their spoiled young pups could go play racing on the public streets.

That is the difference when you buy something yourself, you respect it more. I doubt there is too many here with DCT M3s that have used LC more than a handful of times and never time and again on one night.

[Big Windy]

Originally Posted by footie

I would assume that took a gamble that no one would be so stupid to do continues standing starts with LC. But they didn't take into account the rich daddies who had footed the bill for the GTR so their spoiled young pups could go play racing on the public streets.

That is the difference when you buy something yourself, you respect it more. I doubt there is too many here with DCT M3s that have used LC more than a handful of times and never time and again on one night.

Probably true, footie. Still, there is no excuse for Nissan. They were shortsighted if they couldn't see that spoiled young pups would go play racing on the public streets. Any good design is tested from all aspects to failure. The GT-R's R&D and test departments should have been all over this. Burnouts and laps until tires fray or blow, heavy heavy braking until brake failure, launches with LC over and over again. You'll never know the limits of the car until you've taken it there. If the tranny is as fragile as it appears to be, it would have been simple for Nissan to realize had they done some proper testing.

The idea that this was all planned from the get-go is absurd. True that Nissan made a name for the GT-R with its awesome performance data, but it is making a bigger name with all of this warranty watergate.

[gshb]

still doesnt take away the fact that the gtr is faster than a 911 turbo on almost any track. maybe im not easily swayed by emotional attachments to the M3, but i still dont see how getting an M3 over a gtr is in any way a good decision assuming the option for either is available.

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Originally Posted by gshb

still doesnt take away the fact that the gtr is faster than a 911 turbo on almost any track. maybe im not easily swayed by emotional attachments to the M3, but i still dont see how getting an M3 over a gtr is in any way a good decision assuming the option for either is available.

who's talkin about the M3?

edit: oh i see, M3manila. lol

[vAnt826]

I love how in every GT-R thread, someone has to say something in comparison to the M3.

As if they can compare.

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Originally Posted by vAnt826

I love how in every GT-R thread, someone has to say something in comparison to the M3.

As if they can compare.

+1

[xxForgedxx]

The GTR will not be as fast as even a C6 z51 from a roll considering AWD does poorly on the highway.

[gthirtyfizle]

Guys With their new numbers, the M3 does compare, especially with a couple of boltons and mayb a chip which plenty of ppl have done. The M3 is a pretty good track car as well, given the GTR is better on the track, but the numbers are not that much better then the M3 now. On a highway race i wouldnt b surprised if an M3 with a chip and few mods like stickys car, would take the GTR.

Sorry but at 4.3 0-60 they do somewhat compare to the M3. I mean what was our best 0-60 time? 4.6? 4.5?

[TK-421]

Originally Posted by gthirtyfizle

Guys With their new numbers, the M3 does compare, especially with a couple of boltons and mayb a chip which plenty of ppl have done. The M3 is a pretty good track car as well, given the GTR is better on the track, but the numbers are not that much better then the M3 now. On a highway race i wouldnt b surprised if an M3 with a chip and few mods like stickys car, would take the GTR.

Sorry but at 4.3 0-60 they do somewhat compare to the M3. I mean what was our best 0-60 time? 4.6? 4.5?

I'm pretty sure everyone is talking stock for stock. If you want to compare bolt-ons, remember the GTR is a TT.

[Deda]

strange..but still love that car!