911 Carrera... Why S?

x5love · 01-19-2009, 04:20 AM

Sorry,

I know this is a really juvenile question, but I don't know that much about Porsches. I was browsing their site and realized that the only difference between a Carrera and a Carrera S is about 40 horse power, 30 torque, .1 seconds in zero-60, and a whopping $10,000.

What am I missing? There has to be something more special about the S than a mere bump in displacement and power?

Thanks.

mpower03 · 01-19-2009, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by x5love

Sorry,

I know this is a really juvenile question, but I don't know that much about Porsches. I was browsing their site and realized that the only difference between a Carrera and a Carrera S is about 40 horse power, 30 torque, .1 seconds in zero-60, and a whopping $10,000.

What am I missing? There has to be something more special about the S than a mere bump in displacement and power?

Thanks.

the difference from a 335 to the m3.

Dragonman4 · 01-19-2009, 09:30 AM

The S has a larger displacement engine, xenons instead of halogens standard, quad exhaust instead of dual, bigger rims, and I believe it's a little lower to the ground. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

JJM335 · 01-19-2009, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by mpower03

the difference from a 335 to the m3.

Ummm...no. The difference between a 335i and an M3 is a lot more than a bit of extra power.

mpower03 · 01-19-2009, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by JJM335

Ummm...no. The difference between a 335i and an M3 is a lot more than a bit of extra power.

im not just say engine performance im saying the whole package. the real difference is 40 more hp, 22 ft/lbs, 3.6 to 3.8,18 to 19 inch wheels, pasm standard, bi-xnenon headlights, .39 inches lower, 56 pounds heavier from carrera to carrera s ( i thought i would be lighter, wierd). That is right off of the porsche website.

TheAcAvenger · 01-19-2009, 10:28 AM

The suspension's different too. The engine isn't only more powerful, it's also more responsive. It's the torque the car should've had from the start. The Carrera S seems like the real entry into what 911s are

Really, if you've driven both, the difference is actually 335 to M3like

epbrown · 01-19-2009, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by JJM335

Ummm...no. The difference between a 335i and an M3 is a lot more than a bit of extra power.

It's more like the difference between a 328i and 335i, adjust for Porsche prices.

urbo73 · 01-19-2009, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by TheAcAvenger

The suspension's different too. The engine isn't only more powerful, it's also more responsive. It's the torque the car should've had from the start. The Carrera S seems like the real entry into what 911s are

Really, if you've driven both, the difference is actually 335 to M3like

+1

better brakes too, etc. A lot of small but important details as well.

Deda · 01-19-2009, 05:16 PM

well,i will go for 4S!

aut0sh0cker · 01-19-2009, 05:35 PM

not to mention a wider track and 4 wheel drive

Ray · 01-19-2009, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by aut0sh0cker

not to mention a wider track and 4 wheel drive

they offer a Carrera, Carrera 4, Carrera S, and C4S

the number 4 denotes the powertrain

stickypaws · 01-19-2009, 08:21 PM

3.6 versus 3.8
345 hp versus 385 hp
228 lb ft torque versus 310
180 mph versus 188 mph
4.7 sec versus 4.5 sec
18" wheels versus 19" wheels
Halogen lamps versus HID lamps
PASM optional versus PASM standard
0.28 Cd versus 0.29 Cd
18/25 mpg versus 18/25 mpg (same)
3075 lbs versus 3131 lbs

Suspension is the same but the S has PASM standard and is 10 mm lower. PASM is nice on varying road conditions but not something you must have to enjoy the car. The PASM sport suspension (different than regular PASM) option costs more on the C2 because PASM itself is an option. LSD costs the same. Brake calipers are different colors but same 4-pot system. However, the S has larger calipers and the front axle has larger pads and thicker rotors. Different exhaust tips.

If you order a new 997 you can pretty much ask the factory to make what you want, but for big $$$.

You can turn a non-S into anything you want with later aftermarket mods. Some mods are even acceptable by PCNA.

But the big thing you might consider is resale. Not just price, but how easy to resell. The C2S will usually sell better/quicker.

The prices on used 997s are dropping like a cement overcoat in the East River right now. So if you are buying new, work a great lease deal or keep the car for a long time until things change. And be sure to get the car you really want.

That said, you might consider a 2-3 year old used CPO 997.

aut0sh0cker · 01-20-2009, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Ray

they offer a Carrera, Carrera 4, Carrera S, and C4S

the number 4 denotes the powertrain

For some reason I thought this thread was about the c4s. In any case, you are exactly right

stephenti · 01-20-2009, 02:38 AM

Porsche is the most profitable car company on the planet... they must know a thing or two about branding/badging...

wj4 · 01-20-2009, 04:11 AM

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Originally Posted by epbrown

It's more like the difference between a 328i and 335i, adjust for Porsche prices.

I agree with you. 328, 335, M3......911, 911 S, 911 Turbo.

Turbo>NA · 01-20-2009, 04:23 AM

Its like saying, why ///M?

Why not just have a 335i or 328i...?

oh and .... Carrera S > E9X M3.

aggie57 · 01-20-2009, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by wj4

I agree with you. 328, 335, M3......911, 911 S, 911 Turbo.

I'd actually say 997, 997S, GT3. The GT3 is the real hotrod and the one serious owners seem to go for.

BTW, the differences between a standard 997 and a 997S are less in the Gen 2 cars (997.2) than the Gen 1, at least over here.

x5love · 01-20-2009, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Turbo>NA

Its like saying, why ///M?

Why not just have a 335i or 328i...?

oh and .... Carrera S > E9X M3.

Not exactly. Between the 328 and 335 there's almost 100 hp difference (actually more than 100hp difference considering that BMW underrates the 335) while in the Carrera and Carrera S there's only about 40, that's why I was confused, it's still a little hard for me to understand the real benefit of the S.

gonzo · 01-20-2009, 04:40 PM

^If possible drive each spirited (is that the proper usage) back to back.

1cleanm6 · 01-20-2009, 04:46 PM

I Know some guy who has a S and its super fast!!!

OBI_agent · 01-20-2009, 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stickypaws

3.6 versus 3.8
345 hp versus 385 hp
228 lb ft torque versus 310
......

Number error....it's 287lb-ft for the updated 'Normal' (Carrera(3.6 H6)

Anyway, any 997 carrera will do it for me....

kronzprinz · 01-20-2009, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by x5love

Not exactly. Between the 328 and 335 there's almost 100 hp difference (actually more than 100hp difference considering that BMW underrates the 335) while in the Carrera and Carrera S there's only about 40, that's why I was confused, it's still a little hard for me to understand the real benefit of the S.

All Wheel Drive plus all the other stuff, if you can't see the benefit then we can't help.

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