[ak335]

hahahhahahaha wooow. loll

[ragingclue]

what?

pretty big mistake.

[Scorpion]

Guess this answers the other thread which was asking what the 230 meant.

[quagmire]

It's Fox News what do you expect? Where they label republicans as Democrats when sex scandals surround them?

[TK-421]

HAHAHA

[len56]

lol, hilarious!
nice pic, you should put it up on digg (if it's yours)

[purespeed]

Looks like it may work great as commute car (40miles round trip). It can go over 600 miles on one tank of gas. It has a 1.4L engine on board to run a 53KW generator.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Volt

[quagmire]

Originally Posted by purespeed

Looks like it may work great as commute car (40miles round trip). It can go over 600 miles on one tank of gas. It has a 1.4L engine on board to run a 53KW generator.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Volt

It used to be 600 miles, but GM reduced the size of the gas tank. Now it is like 350 miles.....

[purespeed]

Originally Posted by quagmire

It used to be 600 miles, but GM reduced the size of the gas tank. Now it is like 350 miles.....

I don't guess that's too bad because anything beyond 40 miles means the power is a 1.4L engine that's lugging around dead weight in the form of batteries, a 53KW generator, and a 150 hp electric motor.

[dragon1761]

the price of the car will start at $40,000USD. The company itself wants to see for $30,000 however, due to the rebates from the government it will be at 40. I dont think anyone would buy a chevy at 40,000. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevy_Volt

[quagmire]

Originally Posted by dragon1761

the price of the car will start at $40,000USD. The company itself wants to see for $30,000 however, due to the rebates from the government it will be at 40. I dont think anyone would buy a chevy at 40,000. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevy_Volt

What is the Corvette and Silverado, Tahoe, Suburban then?

[Inspired]

Originally Posted by quagmire

What is the Corvette and Silverado, Tahoe, Suburban then?

im guessing he's referring to a torque less electric car.. it will take a average American 20 year to break even in gas considering the car is 40,000$..

[quagmire]

Originally Posted by twinturbo335

im guessing he's referring to a torque less electric car.. it will take a average American 20 year to break even in gas considering the car is 40,000$..

A) He said who will spend $40,000 for a Chevy. No reference to the Volt directly.... B) What do you mean torqueless? Electric motors make all of their torque at 0 RPM.

[radix]

Originally Posted by twinturbo335

im guessing he's referring to a torque less electric car.. it will take a average American 20 year to break even in gas considering the car is 40,000$..

% ruby -e 'puts (15000 / 230) * 3'  
195
% ruby -e 'puts (15000 / 23) * 3'   
1956

Driving 15k miles per year at $3 per gallon gas prices, you'd save somewhere around $1.7k per year. Assuming a similarly equipped car without the hypermileage capability would cost ~27k (a guesstimate no doubt), you'd break even in 7.64 years. Adjust the figures as you see fit. Of course as gas prices go up, the break even point is pushed forward. I've also not included the price of the electricity needed to recharge the car consistently, as I have no concrete numbers for this and hazarding a guess is pointless.

[dragon1761]

Originally Posted by quagmire

A) He said who will spend $40,000 for a Chevy. No reference to the Volt directly.... B) What do you mean torqueless? Electric motors make all of their torque at 0 RPM.

i thought everyone would understand that i am referring to the Volt since it is in the thread about the Chevy Volt. Sorry about the misunderstanding.

[radix]

Originally Posted by dragon1761

the price of the car will start at $40,000USD. The company itself wants to see for $30,000 however, due to the rebates from the government it will be at 40. I dont think anyone would buy a chevy at 40,000. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevy_Volt

Corvette?

EDIT: NM. quagmire already hit the nail on the head with his post.

[Inspired]

Originally Posted by quagmire

A) He said who will spend $40,000 for a Chevy. No reference to the Volt directly.... B) What do you mean torqueless? Electric motors make all of their torque at 0 RPM.

Isn't this thread about the chevy volt??

Who gives a rat ass if it makes all its HP at 0 RPM. How fast does it go 0-60? 4.8 seconds?? I was trying to convey that this car weighs a boat and is slower than a turtle..

Originally Posted by radix

% ruby -e 'puts (15000 / 230) * 3'  
195
% ruby -e 'puts (15000 / 23) * 3'   
1956

Driving 15k miles per year at $3 per gallon gas prices, you'd save somewhere around $1.7k per year. Assuming a similarly equipped car without the hypermileage capability would cost ~27k (a guesstimate no doubt), you'd break even in 7.64 years. Adjust the figures as you see fit. Of course as gas prices go up, the break even point is pushed forward. I've also not included the price of the electricity needed to recharge the car consistently, as I have no concrete numbers for this and hazarding a guess is pointless.

I drive my 335i 15k miles per year. But an average American drive 10k a year. I pay $40 per gas per week. $40 per week x 4 week in a month = $160 a month. $160 x 12 month = $1920. So it cost $1920 a year for gas. So the car is $40,000. It will take me 20.83 years to break even.

[im spencer]

If the styling on this vehicle werent so ridiculous id give it second thought. Once again chevy has failed miserably to hire any competent designers

Camaro meets Civic si for a drunken fiasco?

[radix]

Originally Posted by twinturbo335

I drive my 335i 15k miles per year. But an average American drive 10k a year. I pay $40 per gas per week. $40 per week x 4 week in a month = $160 a month. $160 x 12 month = $1920. So it cost $1920 a year for gas. So the car is $40,000. It will take me 20.83 years to break even.

If you are only looking at when the amount spent on gas breaks even with what you paid for the car, then yes you're right for the most part (except for #1 below). Of course, that only accounts for the mpg you get now, not for the order of magnitude greater efficiency you'd get with the volt. For this reason, that's not really breaking even IMO, as "breaking even" implies savings, and your figures don't account for savings but rather expenditures. A few things to note regarding the break even point:

1. There are 52 weeks in a year, not 48.

So using your figures, you would get:

$2078.40

not $1920.

2. You're not breaking even with the price of your own car as that will be paid off well before 20 years roll around, you're breaking even with the price of a similarly equipped car sans the greater fuel efficiency.

3. Your figures don't take into account the the actual mpg you're getting in order to do a comparative analysis. I will attempt to extrapolate from the data you've provided however.

If you were to drive 10k miles per year and fill up once per week with 1/4 tank remaining then you average 192 miles per 3/4 tank or 12 gallons:

10000 / 52 = ~192

Which equates to 16mpg (this guy drives hard). At 16 mpg, you would be consuming 625 gallons of gas per year for a distance of 10000 miles. At three dollars per gallon you'd be spending $1875 annually. The volt would require ~44 gallons to go the same distance, which would amount to ~$132 annually, or a saving of ~$1700 per year.

Again, if we assume that the non-hybrid version of the volt (or similar car), where to have a base price of around $27k, then you have at $13k gap in price:

$40k - $27k = $13k

At that price gap, and with 10k miles per year, and a constant gas price of $3, the break even point would be after 7.64 years. 7.64 is the same number I came up with before, although this is coincidence to some degree as some of the figures have changed. You can get away with lower mpg when you drive fewer total miles and still reach the same amount spent on fuel per year as someone who drives more miles with better efficiency.

As gas prices go up, the break even point is pushed forward.

I hope this makes sense.

[quagmire]

Originally Posted by twinturbo335

Isn't this thread about the chevy volt??

Who gives a rat ass if it makes all its HP at 0 RPM. How fast does it go 0-60? 4.8 seconds?? I was trying to convey that this car weighs a boat and is slower than a turtle..

How do you know how much it weighs? I haven't seen weight figures........

0-60 times are aimed at roughly 8-9 seconds or so I believe I have read. But, that is because the Volt isn't aimed to be a speedster like the Tesla. I was just saying that electric motors make all there torque as soon as you hit the accelerator. So it isn't torqueless, just not aimed for performance.

[az335d]

i can get close to 600 miles on a tank. and this has how much torque?

lol case and point.

[Jonmartin]

I'm not a math genius or anything but if its supposedly 230mpg then how is the range only 640 miles? how big is the fuel tank like 2.8 gallons or something?