[hl0m4n]

what on earth is the difference between these cars? so far i know the turbo is awd has a turbo and the gt2-gt3rs are rwd na engines. gt3rs has plastic rear windshield. does the gt2 and 3 have wide bodies? is there a chart or something that shows the differences?

[TheAcAvenger]

gt3 is n/a, rwd. it's what you've seen in GT competition for over a decade

gt3 r/s is the limited version of the GT3. stripped of its what few luxury features it once had, giving distinctive badging, two paint schemes and an intense diet. This is the race ready porsche of all race ready porsches

911 turbo is what's commonly referred to as the "luxury 911." Alot of the options of the 911 and 911S come standard on the Turbo. It comes with AWD and the turbo motor thats always the fastest 911 when it debuts. Automotive enthusiasts always debate between rather the GT3 or the Turbo is the Porsche to have, and usually the GT3 comes out on top for pure driving pleasure. (enthusiasts have gone as far as to say that the carrera S beats the turbo in driving excitement as most refer to the S as one of the best cars on the market today. Not a knock on the Turbo, it's just a porker and a different animal all together.)

911 GT2 is THE 911 of all 911s. Its GT3 meets Turbo. You get the Turbo motor (which always seems to get beefed up for GT2 applications). You get RWD (which saves a WHOLE lot of weight compared to the Turbo). And you get the design features of both (for instance, the front fascia where the hood meets the bumper is a la GT3, and the LEDs are a la Turbo).They're always the most expensive and rightfully so. The joke about the last generation GT2 is that it's so extremely difficult to drive that MT couldn't recommend it, as they, themselves could barely keep it under control.

I didn't know this until a while ago, but the 993 GT2 was the fastest 911 available until the 997T was produced.

[jbake]

Originally Posted by TheAcAvenger

gt3 is n/a, rwd. it's what you've seen in GT competition for over a decade

gt3 r/s is the limited version of the GT3. stripped of its what few luxury features it once had, giving distinctive badging, two paint schemes and an intense diet. This is the race ready porsche of all race ready porsches

911 turbo is what's commonly referred to as the "luxury 911." Alot of the options of the 911 and 911S come standard on the Turbo. It comes with AWD and the turbo motor thats always the fastest 911 when it debuts. Automotive enthusiasts always debate between rather the GT3 or the Turbo is the Porsche to have, and usually the GT3 comes out on top for pure driving pleasure. (enthusiasts have gone as far as to say that the carrera S beats the turbo in driving excitement as most refer to the S as one of the best cars on the market today. Not a knock on the Turbo, it's just a porker and a different animal all together.)

911 GT2 is THE 911 of all 911s. Its GT3 meets Turbo. You get the Turbo motor (which always seems to get beefed up for GT2 applications). You get RWD (which saves a WHOLE lot of weight compared to the Turbo). And you get the design features of both (for instance, the front fascia where the hood meets the bumper is a la GT3, and the LEDs are a la Turbo).They're always the most expensive and rightfully so. The joke about the last generation GT2 is that it's so extremely difficult to drive that MT couldn't recommend it, as they, themselves could barely keep it under control.

I didn't know this until a while ago, but the 993 GT2 was the fastest 911 available until the 997T was produced.

well said :rocks: GT2 ftw

[Bimmerista]

If you get a GT2, get some high-end driving lessons or good life insurance.

[TheAcAvenger]

I grew up in a Porsche house (which in turn forced me to become a ferrari boy). I think if I were going ot buy one, it'd be an S or a Turbo. The GT3 and the GT2 seem like porsches for people who already have porsches and/or use their porsches for porsche worthy purposes. Buying a GT3 to take on my sunday drives just seems like sacriledge, and buying a GT3 to beat on at the track just seems like.. well, who am I kidding, I cant afford that!

[maq]

The Turbo, GT3 RS and GT2 use the wider body of the C4's. The GT3 shares the same body with the C2.

As for some history, the Turbo used to be RWD as well up until the 964 Turbo S. Porsche wanted to make the Turbo more mainstream, so they gave the 993Turbo AWD and traction control, and later auto tranny (996 Turbo). For those who wanted a successor of the 964 Turbo S, Porsche created the 993 GT2.

[mach330]

where does the C4 or C4S fit in? is it 911 + awd = C4, and 911S + awd = C4S?

so....

GT2 > GT3 R/S > GT3/911Turbo > 911 Turbo/GT3 > C4S/911 S > C4/911 ? something like that?

i drove a Cayman S when I was in germany last yr (company paid for my rental ). after driving that, i told myself my next car will be a porsche. how does the 911 compare to the Cayman S?

[hl0m4n]

wow thank you sooo much for the distinctions man. very very helpful and useful. ur the best

the gt3 rs got no air conditioning and radio and is it plastic windows all around minus the front or just the back. also comes with a roll cage.

so overall the gt2 is the best. i thought the gt2 was n/a.

[TheAcAvenger]

Originally Posted by mach330

where does the C4 or C4S fit in? is it 911 + awd = C4, and 911S + awd = C4S?

so....

GT2 > GT3 R/S > GT3/911Turbo > 911 Turbo/GT3 > C4S/911 S > C4/911 ? something like that?

i drove a Cayman S when I was in germany last yr (company paid for my rental ). after driving that, i told myself my next car will be a porsche. how does the 911 compare to the Cayman S?

As far as putting them in order goes, that would probably be the most accurate list. It depends on if you want to give the biggest factor to price (in which case you'd group GT3 R/S with the 911Turbo) or the biggest factor to exclusivitity (in which case you're pretty much right on the mark)

From my short time in the cayman S and comparing it to a 997S, I'll say that the cayman provides the more visceral driving experience. I should note that as a tall guy, I was a whole lot less comfortable in the cayman, and that probably made the drive more exciting. It's alot more nimble and "darty" if that's a word. The 911S didn't feel as direct, but in a way, it was more fun. The extra power and weight over the back made its rear easy to swing around, and the motor was always sooo smooth. I'd say the better drivers car is the Cayman, the better track car is the Cayman, but the car i'd rather have to admire, sit in, and drive recklessly with would definitely be the 911. It really is an everyday sports car.

P.S. thanks a lot for making me conjure up feelings of lust about the car that isn't mine. ... yet

and good call maq, I completely forgot about the widebodies. Your average person won't notice them unless they're side by side, but they're definitely differentiable if you know your stuff.

[FirstClass]

Originally Posted by mach330

where does the C4 or C4S fit in? is it 911 + awd = C4, and 911S + awd = C4S?

so....

GT2 > GT3 R/S > GT3/911Turbo > 911 Turbo/GT3 > C4S/911 S > C4/911 ? something like that?

i drove a Cayman S when I was in germany last yr (company paid for my rental ). after driving that, i told myself my next car will be a porsche. how does the 911 compare to the Cayman S?

Not quite, AWD on a Porsche kind of defeats the purpose, especially on a regular 911 that has 355hp and no need for it traction wise. The real list follows.

GT2 > GT3 RS > GT3 > 911 Turbo > 911 S > 911 > anything with 4 in the name

Put the Cayman in there somewhere above or below the two 911s depending on if you prefer handling or power.

[William]

on what order do you base that one? 911 turbo is faster the gt3 even though its more expensive which makes NO sense

[FirstClass]

Originally Posted by William

on what order do you base that one? 911 turbo is faster the gt3 even though its more expensive which makes NO sense

Turbo is faster and costs more, makes sense to me.

[William]

oops i had it vise versa... i should read what i type.

thanks for pointing that out!

[TheAcAvenger]

hahahahahaahaha

[Plan B]

you guys left out the GT3 RSR...we're just splitting hairs here...haha.

[Plan B]

Originally Posted by TheAcAvenger

As far as putting them in order goes, that would probably be the most accurate list. It depends on if you want to give the biggest factor to price (in which case you'd group GT3 R/S with the 911Turbo) or the biggest factor to exclusivitity (in which case you're pretty much right on the mark)

From my short time in the cayman S and comparing it to a 997S, I'll say that the cayman provides the more visceral driving experience. I should note that as a tall guy, I was a whole lot less comfortable in the cayman, and that probably made the drive more exciting. It's alot more nimble and "darty" if that's a word. The 911S didn't feel as direct, but in a way, it was more fun. The extra power and weight over the back made its rear easy to swing around, and the motor was always sooo smooth. I'd say the better drivers car is the Cayman, the better track car is the Cayman, but the car i'd rather have to admire, sit in, and drive recklessly with would definitely be the 911. It really is an everyday sports car.

P.S. thanks a lot for making me conjure up feelings of lust about the car that isn't mine. ... yet

and good call maq, I completely forgot about the widebodies. Your average person won't notice them unless they're side by side, but they're definitely differentiable if you know your stuff.

I don't disagree with your assessment...though personally, I would take a Cayman S over a base 911. I love the CS (obviously, I bought one), but it really depends on what you're looking for in a sports car. The mid-engine platform is just spot-on.

For me, only a more extreme (GT2 or GT3) will make sense for the 911 platform...that's why I will be selling my 996 S towards the end of the year...or at least when the buzz on the GT3 subsides. Either way, my Cayman S is a keeper.

[maq]

Originally Posted by Plan B

you guys left out the GT3 RSR...we're just splitting hairs here...haha.

The RSR is not a road car. If you count race cars, there's also the GT3 Cup car, then there's the RS Spyder.

[TheAcAvenger]

Originally Posted by Plan B

I don't disagree with your assessment...though personally, I would take a Cayman S over a base 911. I love the CS (obviously, I bought one), but it really depends on what you're looking for in a sports car. The mid-engine platform is just spot-on.

For me, only a more extreme (GT2 or GT3) will make sense for the 911 platform...that's why I will be selling my 996 S towards the end of the year...or at least when the buzz on the GT3 subsides. Either way, my Cayman S is a keeper.

I definitely respect that opinion. That was one of the best drives I've ever had. I could honestly call the cayman one of the BEST driving cars on the road today. I love that car... especially at its price compared to the CS. A CS will most definitely be my FIRST porsche, but my second, third, fourth, and fifth could be very very different.

Mmmm, Porsche

[Cadillac Johnson]

RUF, Techart, Gemballa.

You could always throw those in there too, just for fun..

IMO, after all the "GT" models, I'd go with a Cayman S, swap in the Turbo motor, plus all the necessary extras. That would be lots of fun.

[hl0m4n]

Originally Posted by Cadillac Johnson

RUF, Techart, Gemballa.

You could always throw those in there too, just for fun..

IMO, after all the "GT" models, I'd go with a Cayman S, swap in the Turbo motor, plus all the necessary extras. That would be lots of fun.

gotta go with the protomotive and or evoms gt800 kit and a 650. hennessey also tunes porsches as well...but their vipers are insane..

[E90330iS]

Wow you guys know so much about Porsches! I love the GT3 but the new GT2 looks very exciting. I would love to own a 911 C2S next!

[Cadillac Johnson]

Originally Posted by hl0m4n

gotta go with the protomotive and or evoms gt800 kit and a 650. hennessey also tunes porsches as well...but their vipers are insane..

I was just mentioning those three cause they're technically manufacturers, not just tuners.

But yeah, Protomotive and Evolution MS make some bad ass Porsche's, and GMG is right up there too for domestic Porsche tuners.

If you like twin turbo Viper's check out Heffner, 2000+whp..