[Robin_NL]

I sometimes miss my E46 M3 as well, this photo , almost 10 years ago, fooling around like this, excellent. But time goes on.

[Q4P]

Originally Posted by TK-421

Stage 4 or go home

I rode in a Stage 2.75 (built internals, near 600 rwhp) and it blew my mind. I damn near sold everything I had to have it right then and there.

Stage 4 if you have $45K laying around to invest in a car that already costs 25K, thats a lot of money...

Originally Posted by Robin Hood

A E46 M3 is/was good because of that NA higrevving 6. Why should you put a turbo on it, talking about the soul of the car.....

Just try the N54 equipped 1M, out of the box the best M since the M3 CSL.

I agree, the soul of the car is altered with a turbo kit but the straight line performance of that car is very subpar by today's standards, I couldn't drive one without the turbo kit...

1M? Sir, I don't beleive we are talking about remotely the same power levels when I say HPF stage 2.

[txz4]

Originally Posted by benmoooon

Z4M's have a weaker transmission

never heard of one transmission breaking. it is one of the few parts that are different from the e46m3, i believe it is zf produced. Its not a great transmission... that being said with a few simple mods it becomes very livable. I also would never get rid of my s54 for anything short of a high end P car or maybe even certain F cars. Its that good. the 335 will beat up on the s54 in N/A trim any day of the week, but for me the road feel is unbeatable. From what i heard the 1M is almost as raw as the Z4M. I went from a trubo car that was could be much faster than my M coupe but at the end of the day the NA engine is damn near perfect. puts a smile on my face every time i get in the car!

[DASHOCKER]

That red Porshe 911 blw away bothe BMWs in the Ring video... Jesus.. I would get one of those

[Sniz]

Originally Posted by Robin Hood

A E46 M3 is/was good because of that NA higrevving 6. Why should you put a turbo on it, talking about the soul of the car.....

Just try the N54 equipped 1M, out of the box the best M since the M3 CSL.

statement coming from someone who has no real world experience w a proper turbo solution on a s52 or s54 i'm assuming?

You retain all the high revving nature, it just makes 2x or more HP and lots more TQ. Its no like a S54 has any TQ to begin with so a little turbo lag is an easy trade off. It has N/A lag to begin with down low.

[TK-421]

Originally Posted by Robin Hood

A E46 M3 is/was good because of that NA higrevving 6. Why should you put a turbo on it, talking about the soul of the car.....

Here's an example of an HPF M3 in action - check out the tach (it's not on a dyno):

Originally Posted by Sniz

statement coming from someone who has no real world experience w a proper turbo solution on a s52 or s54 i'm assuming?

You retain all the high revving nature, it just makes 2x or more HP and lots more TQ. Its no like a S54 has any TQ to begin with so a little turbo lag is an easy trade off. It has N/A lag to begin with down low.

LOL I've never heard that phrase before but it hits the nail on the head.

[JoosyJoos]

I think I may pick-up an E46 in the next year or so and go the HPF route. I just want something unique that's more engaging and I'm young enough I can live with something brutish. Gotta finish up my E36 first though...