[am3r1ka]

Wow they really are going after the S4.

[supra93]

Originally Posted by Burrcold

Considering an AWD IS 350 with a few packages is already $54k, there will almost certainly be a $5k+ premium on the IS500. So $60k seems about right...add a few options and it could reach just over $60.

The ISF also last sold 7 years ago. The rate of automotive inflation since that time has skyrocketed. I could see a modern day true ISF right around where the RC-F is priced ($70-75k)

Are we talking about base MSRP or loaded with all the goodies? We're also assuming that every IS500 will come standard with all the opitions available on the 350. The last time Lexus offered one sedan with a V6 and V8 was in 2011, and the differences in pricing with inflation was about $10k. If we apply the same formula to the IS then I think a mid $50k starting price point isn't to farfetch, but we'll know for sure in a few months.

[Burrcold]

Originally Posted by supra93

Are we talking about base MSRP or loaded with all the goodies? We're also assuming that every IS500 will come standard with all the opitions available on the 350. The last time Lexus offered one sedan with a V6 and V8 was in 2011, and the differences in pricing with inflation was about $10k. If we apply the same formula to the IS then I think a mid $50k starting price point isn't to farfetch, but we'll know for sure in a few months.

Zero options IS350 is $45k. Add in navigation/Audio package (at minimum) and you're at $48k. There's no way an IS500 is going to be only a few grand more. There's got to be a $8-10k premium over the IS350. Especially if they make the IS500 come loaded as standard with no options, it's going to be over $60k for sure!

Not to mention the RC-F starts (no options) at $65k. The IS500 isn't going to be too much less than that car...maybe starting at $59 and topping out at close to $70? I could see it.

[supra93]

Originally Posted by Burrcold

Zero options IS350 is $47k. Add in navigation/Audio package (at minimum) and you're at $50k. There's no way an IS500 is going to be only a few grand more. There's got to be a $8-10k premium over the IS350. Especially if they make the IS500 come loaded as standard with no options, it's going to be over $60k for sure!

The starting price for the RWD IS350 is $42.9k. The guys on the Lexus forum with prior knowledge/teasers for the IS500 are predicting a mid/high $50k starting price point. Again, we'll know for sure in good time, but I think the starting price point between the two will be less than $10k.

Edited: Are you talking about U.S. or Canadian pricing?

[Burrcold]

Originally Posted by supra93

The starting price for the RWD IS350 is $42.9k. The guys on the Lexus forum with prior knowledge/teasers for the IS500 are predicting a mid to high $50k starting price point. Again, we'll know for sure in good time, but I think the starting price point between the two will be less than $10k.

Edited: Are you talking about U.S. or Canadian pricing?

US pricing and I specifically said AWD 350 in my first post. I adjusted the last post to account for RWD instead.

Again the point I was making to someone else that posted, was that the IS500 will not be the same price as the just released starting price for the Type S ($50k). Option for option, I think there's going to be a $8-10k difference between the two. Even the M340i is just under $60k (with only a few options) in the US why would we expect the IS500 to be any less?

[supra93]

Originally Posted by Burrcold

US pricing and I specifically said AWD 350 in my first post. I adjusted the last post to account for RWD instead.

Again the point I was making to someone else that posted, was that the IS500 will not be the same price as the just released starting price for the Type S ($50k). Option for option, I think there's going to be a $8-10k difference between the two. Even the M340i is over $60k in the US why would we expect the IS500 to be any less?

I understand that, and I did not say otherwise. Again, PR said low $50ks, so that could mean $51-$52k right? I could be wrong, but maybe Acura is holding off on exact numbers until Lexus announce pricing on the IS500?

Well it is "ancient" like everyone else says. We can keep going back and forth, but I think it makes more sense to revisit this topic once we have official numbers from both automakers.

[Burrcold]

Originally Posted by supra93

I understand that, and I did not say otherwise. Again, PR said low $50ks, so that could mean $51-$52k right? I could be wrong, but maybe Acura is holding off on exact numbers until Lexus announce pricing on the IS500?

Well it is "ancient" like everyone else says. We can keep going back and forth, but I think it makes more sense to revisit this topic once we have official numbers from both automakers.

True, but it's always fun to debate and speculate things nobody knows for sure all in good fun my friend!

[Humdizzle]

it'll be interesting to see where the actual 'as tested' prices come in. Acura usually comes pretty well loaded from the factory. If lexus can come within $5k of the TLX with similar options i think that would be pretty amazing. $10k would be stretching it a little, although not that much of a difference if you are financing over 4-5 years (lol i'm sounding like a dealer now)

[heavyD^2]

After seeing the TLX in person the first thing that you will realize is that these cars are massive. The new 3 series will look small next to it. It's well proportioned but it's long and wide like few other cars on the road today which kind of makes it stand out in the crowd. Looks alright as well but the rear end looks worse in person as there's too many creases going on. I'm not sure I can get back into a Japanese car myself but if you like Hondas or Japanese cars the Type S will likely be a good purchase.

[Soterios]

Drove the Advance last weekend back to back with the A4. The TLX was a bit underwhelming. At least for me. Ride was ok. Road noise seemed pretty poor.

The A4 is winning the fight for my next car purchase right now.

[supra93]

https://acuranews.com/en-US/releases...ships-mid-june

May 20, 2021 — TORRANCE, Calif.

• Acura’s best-performing sedan yet goes on sale June 23 with a starting price of $52,3001
• Pre-sale activities begin today with Type S microsite launch, Build & Price and dealer reservation process for prospective customers
• Available in limited quantities, fewer than 2,000 model year 2021 TLX Type S to be built
• Performance standard, Type S features a 355-horsepower Turbo V6, sport-tuned double wishbone front suspension, Brembo® brakes and Super Handling All-Wheel Drive™

The all-new 2021 Acura TLX Type S, the first in a new generation of Type S performance variants, will begin arriving at Acura dealers nationwide next month with a manufacturer’s suggested retail price (MSRP) of $52,3001. Beginning today, prospective Type S buyers can learn more about the 2021 TLX Type S by visiting Acura.com/Type-S, build and price their desired configuration, and contact a local dealer to reserve their spot in line.

The 2021 TLX Type S is available in two well equipped variations. Starting at $52,300, the TLX Type S features 20-inch multi-spoke wheels with Pirelli Cinturato P7 all-Season tires. Buyers seeking even more performance can opt for the TLX Type S with High Performance Wheel and Tire Package for $53,100, which brings NSX-inspired split 5-spoke wheels, reducing unsprung mass by more than 21 lbs., and 255-series Pirelli P-Zero summer tires.

TLX Type S strengthens the fundamentals of Precision Crafted Performance with significant enhancements to all elements of the driving experience and a distinctive visual character inside and out. With performance validated on track, Type S models cater to spirited driving enthusiasts and the well-equipped TLX Type S features an impressive list of standard high-performance hardware.

The all-new 355-horsespower1, 3.0-liter Type S Turbo V6 engine was developed by some of the company’s most experienced powertrain engineers, including team members who developed the bespoke twin-turbocharged V6 hybrid power unit that powers NSX. A specially-tuned 10-speed automatic transmission also is standard, along with Super Handling All-Wheel Drive™ (SH-AWD®) with true torque vectoring. The TLX Type S sport-tuned chassis features a double-wishbone front suspension, Adaptive Dampers, NSX-derived electro-servo braking system and Brembo™ 4-piston front calipers with larger front rotors and matching red calipers at the rear.

Acura engineers created the TLX Type S as an emotional and exciting premium performance sedan without sacrificing the everyday usability and comfort of the critically acclaimed second-generation TLX. The 2021 TLX Type S also comes with 16-way driver and front passenger sport seats with power adjustable bolsters, supple Milano leather with Ultrasuede® inserts, Type S embossing on the headrests, an ELS STUDIO 3D® 17-speaker premium audio system and a 10.2-inch audio and information display operated with Acura’s award-winning True Touch Interface™.

Standard safety and driver assistive equipment includes the AcuraWatch™ suite of safety and driver assistive technologies, and the world’s first front passenger airbag designed to reduce head rotation in a collision.

2021 TLX Type S
MSRP
$52,300
MSRP with Destination
$53,325

2021 TLX Type S
MSRP
$53,100
MSRP with Destination
$54,125

1. SAE Net. Peak power arrives at 5,500 rpm
2. Manufacturer’s Suggested Retail Price (MSRP) excluding tax, license, registration, destination charge and options. Dealer prices may vary.
3. MSRP including $1,025 destination charge.
4. Based on 2021 EPA mileage ratings; Use for comparison purposes only; Your mileage will vary depending on how you drive and maintain your vehicle, driving conditions, battery pack age/condition (hybrid models), and other factors.

[jmack]

The G70 still looks like the better value option, a loaded 3.3T is same price as the base trim Type S and you are getting a real RWD platform with the G70. With the inevitable dealer markups, these early ones will be going for more than an M340i too.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by supra93

Acura's best-performing sedan yet goes on sale June 23 with a starting price of $52,300

Ouch, priced extremely close to the Germans (apparently more than the S4). Agree with the opinion above, G70 3.3TT is a superior driving and priced vehicle. It will be interesting to see how this does for Acura.

[W///]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

Ouch, priced extremely close to the Germans (apparently more than the S4). Agree with the opinion above, G70 3.3TT is a superior driving and priced vehicle. It will be interesting to see how this does for Acura.

I'd rather have an M340i with almost 0 options for like 2.5k more to be honest. That would make a rather fine daily driver.

[Vivek.]

Originally Posted by W///

I'd rather have an M340i with almost 0 options for like 2.5k more to be honest. That would make a rather fine daily driver.

I think they're catering to different buyers, though. 10-year cost of ownership is going to be drastically different and a lot of Honda/Acura buyers aren't really considering German counterparts.

[Humdizzle]

just watched the smoking tire / matt farah review

looks like the car is still trash for sporty aggressive driving. 4200 pounds with 350hp. terribly slow transmission. i can't understand how honda can build some of the best manuals but their autos are so lackluster. i thought the ZF8 in my 335i was bad... but i drove a 2019 TLX with the 9 speed auto and its worse. seems like it would be a good DD though. I just can't stand any transmission that is slow or doesn't do exactly what its asked. ruins the whole experience.

[RMachuca3d]

wow talk about a porker.... anyone know the weight distribution on it? Must be like 60-40 or so considering how understeery it is by nature, which is the opposite of "sporty". Instant fail for true drivers, a win for grandmas and grandpas.

[supra93]

https://lexusenthusiast.com/2021/05/...t-performance/

[Alfisti]

On paper i'd stretch to the lexus every time.

[Foggins]

I wonder why Acura kept the S at 350 HP? That horsepower figure is really in nowhere land...not powerful enough to challenge the German competition that gets to low 4's for cars like the S4, M340i, etc...it would have been as simple as increasing the boost? A V6 Camry these days is almost as quick.

Love the fact that this car is back, but the power figures are a real letdown for me.

[supra93]