[RM7]

Been thinking about this lately. Not the best at anything specifically, but decent at all.

AWD
Front wheels powered by electric motors at each hub
30 mi plug in/hybrid electric-only range, regen capable
ICE powering rear wheels, lsd, something with good torque down low.
Wagon
4000lbs probably the most idealistic part, but with CF frame it has to be possible.
Computer seamlessly blends front and rear drive, does all the good torque vectoring and other stuff.
All the sporty stuff, wide tires and good suspension. DCT.

Something like this could harness some amazing acceleration with the benefits of EV for many trips with the benefits of ICE when wanted or needed.

I say this realizing it won’t ever happen, SUVs are where any resources are being spent and ICE is being designed out by almost everyone for these type applications…

What’s yours?

[Sedoy]

^^^ 2 closest options: Toyota Rav4 PRIME (if you swap motors) = FWD (ICE) + (RWD) Electric, 42 miles all electric range or Ferrari SF90 (but it has 3 electric motors).

My version: no ICE, 4 electric motors at each wheel, ~4000Lbs weight, mid size battery (250 miles of range), good suspension, ventilated seats option, midsize sedan with hatchback. Pretty much BMW 440i GC with 4 electric motors.

[Murf993]

There is no perfect car, by nature they can only do a few things well which will exclude them from doing other things well. I want nothing to do with anything high tech, the less the better.

For me this is beautiful and organic. It's fun to drive, has a big enough frunk for a weekend or a bit longer get away. When I'm driving it I'm not thinking of the other garbage.

[Alfisti]

[RM7]

Originally Posted by Sedoy

^^^ 2 closest options: Toyota Rav4 PRIME (if you swap motors) = FWD (ICE) + (RWD) Electric, 42 miles all electric range or Ferrari SF90 (but it has 3 electric motors).

My version: no ICE, 4 electric motors at each wheel, ~4000Lbs weight, mid size battery (250 miles of range), good suspension, ventilated seats option, midsize sedan with hatchback. Pretty much BMW 440i GC with 4 electric motors.

A Rav4 is an SUV, so it wasn't the perfect one for me. But the idea was to leverage the advantages of ICE and EV in one vehicle, performance/range, AWD and inclimate weather capability, etc...

But I didn't want to turn this into a "best sports car", as people are doing above, just a "best all around car", something that you could drive every day, take to the trailhead, take to the office, go on a trip, take to the track, etc.

[Alfisti]

What you describe doesn't exist because even across the mushy middle we will all want something else.

On paper an M5 ticks all the boxes, 5 seats, fast as hell, comfortable, safe, sporty enough etc but you went the other way, off road and AWD.

Maybe this is why Subaru sells so many lifted Imprezzas.

[AlexFL]

My all-in-one proposal…

[RM7]

Originally Posted by AlexFL

My all-in-one proposal…

Missing the Fiero-Ferrari, but otherwise solid...lol

[RM7]

Originally Posted by AlexFL

My all-in-one proposal…

Missing the Fiero-Ferrari, but otherwise solid...lol

[Germanauto]

For me the perfect car would be a Porsche 911. It literally ticks all the boxes: extremely fun to drive, unique handling characteristics, iconic styling, attainable price, showy in the right spec, luxurious, reliable, holds its value better than other sports cars, historic pedigree, etc.

My dream car would be a Ferrari for sure; but they are unattainably expensive, unreliable, and too costly to maintain. They are best left as a used purchase to tuck away in the garage 6 days/wk.

[wtwo3]

Looks like an E-type
Has room for 4
Weighs 1,500 lbs
600hp N/A V10
6 spd manual
Sounds like an LFA
Reliable like a Toyota
Steers like a Lotus

This is all doable right?

[Germanauto]

Originally Posted by Onesie

911s are great, but are not practical.

And I don't find them attainable, but good for you! LOL I wish I could afford one (as a second car, because they're not practical)

Practicality is subjective I suppose. By the time most people can afford a 911 they are married and as a result, have a second more practical car in the garage. And on that topic, 911 is probably the only sports car offered with AWD.

There's always the used market. 911s hold their value well, but even in this used car market there are CPO 991s in the $60-80k range. Find a non-CPO 991 or go back to the 997 generation and prices should be less.

[Sedoy]

Forgot about 46 MPG and 29K MSRP...

Originally Posted by wtwo3

Looks like an E-type
Has room for 4
Weighs 1,500 lbs
600hp N/A V10
6 spd manual
Sounds like an LFA
Reliable like a Toyota
Steers like a Lotus

This is all doable right?

[Murf993]

Originally Posted by RM7

A Rav4 is an SUV, so it wasn't the perfect one for me. But the idea was to leverage the advantages of ICE and EV in one vehicle, performance/range, AWD and inclimate weather capability, etc...

But I didn't want to turn this into a "best sports car", as people are doing above, just a "best all around car", something that you could drive every day, take to the trailhead, take to the office, go on a trip, take to the track, etc.

So our DD is a MB GLK diesel. It's ticks a lot of boxes but not all. It get's great mileage, 800+KM for a fill up, its comfortable, and big enough for most of what I need. AWD and built like a tank. But is it perfect, nope. There can be no perfect car because like everything in life there is compromise.

[kyriian]

Originally Posted by RM7

Been thinking about this lately. Not the best at anything specifically, but decent at all.

AWD
Front wheels powered by electric motors at each hub
30 mi plug in/hybrid electric-only range, regen capable
ICE powering rear wheels, lsd, something with good torque down low.
Wagon
4000lbs probably the most idealistic part, but with CF frame it has to be possible.
Computer seamlessly blends front and rear drive, does all the good torque vectoring and other stuff.
All the sporty stuff, wide tires and good suspension. DCT.

Something like this could harness some amazing acceleration with the benefits of EV for many trips with the benefits of ICE when wanted or needed.

I say this realizing it won’t ever happen, SUVs are where any resources are being spent and ICE is being designed out by almost everyone for these type applications…

What’s yours?

Maybe i am far less picky on a vehicle personally, being less wealthy than many people here.

RWD, AWD is acceptable if it is rear biased
ICE/hybrid/EV, powertrain hardly makes any difference to me these days
Maybe 200-300 hp, i am stuck in traffic anyways most of the time, and plenty enough to be fun and not terrifying when I can open the taps
Attainable, around 40k or less would be awesome. I won't feel bad if i bin it
Anonymous and reliable.
Manual
Wagon would be nice, but im okay with any body shape knowing our SUV driven market
Below 3500 lbs in today's nanny laden cars is a win
I have full control of how the electronic nannies will behave. It's my fking car, i don't need a computer to tell me how I should drive
Should be 'fun', all the time, not just built to attain the fastest lap times.

I mean it certainly sounds like I need a Corolla GR or GR86.

[Darth One]

RWD
Mid-engine
naturally aspirated
manual transmission
hydraulic steering
Around 2000 lbs and 450-500hp
Body designed by Ian Callum or Pininfarina

Done and dusted