[jmg]

Originally Posted by AlpineBoost

Next gen ICE STI based on the the new WRX platform is dead:

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...301500419.html

It's the end of an era.

[wtwo3]

Current STI models about to skyrocket in value.

[ntg44]

Originally Posted by wtwo3

Current STI models about to skyrocket in value.

That's the first thing I said about mine


For real though, this sucks. Can't say I'm surprised though. They couldn't make anything competitive enough so they just cancelled it. After the crap ass attempt at this new WRX, I'm not sure it would have even been any good anyways.

Still pisses me off they didn't even try. At least make a final edition and model year of the current gen. Don't just stop making it then pull this crap.

Flaws or not, the STI deserved better.

[n55f15]

One by one

[jeffs.garage]

Originally Posted by wtwo3

Current STI models about to skyrocket in value.

I wonder if I should reconsider selling my '21 STI now!

[R N M]

Idiotic decision by Subaru - STI is a very low volume model for Subaru and would have limited impact on emissions. They also would be using same engine as WRX just with more boost.

Really confusing decision.

[W///]

Originally Posted by ntg44

That's the first thing I said about mine


For real though, this sucks. Can't say I'm surprised though. They couldn't make anything competitive enough so they just cancelled it. After the crap ass attempt at this new WRX, I'm not sure it would have even been any good anyways.

Still pisses me off they didn't even try. At least make a final edition and model year of the current gen. Don't just stop making it then pull this crap.

Flaws or not, the STI deserved better.

Even if they dropped exact same drivetrain in there, I think it still would have sold. Especially when Evos are no longer a thing.

Not that I would have considered the car, but it is sad to see these cars going away.

[heavyD^2]

Originally Posted by R N M

Idiotic decision by Subaru - STI is a very low volume model for Subaru and would have limited impact on emissions. They also would be using same engine as WRX just with more boost.

Really confusing decision.

Rumor has it that Subaru was having issues getting reliable 300+ hp out of the FA24 and the EJ257 would not meet 2023 EPA changes so rather than sink money into modifying the FA24 for a single generation they decided to skip. I expect the next STI will come out in around 2028/29 and be a Toyota based EV.

[ntg44]

Originally Posted by W///

Even if they dropped exact same drivetrain in there, I think it still would have sold. Especially when Evos are no longer a thing.

Not that I would have considered the car, but it is sad to see these cars going away.

I agree that it would have sold, but not without a ton of backlash online. I started following nasioc more since purchasing my 2020 STI, and hoo boy, there is just no making anyone happy over there. A lot of the criticism is deserved on the 2022 WRX, but the expectations for the STI to somehow fix everything and have 400hp was ridiculous. I don't know if Subaru could even build that car for under 50k/unit.

I started thinking about what I would have liked a next gen STI to be based on the current WRX, and honestly it wouldn't have taken much:

- FA24 with bigger turbo, 6500+ RPM redline, and 330HP (anything more would be great, but trying to be realistic)
- Adaptive dampers from WRX GT
- Same Aisin transmission, DCCD, and diffs from the outgoing model, with bonus points for a new rear torque vectoring diff to help rotation
- New front bumper based on the VIZIV STI concept.
- Paint the lower rocker panels body color. Leave the unpainted fenders if absolutely needed. This again follows the VIZIV STI concept.
- Big wing, with delete optional.
- A revised rear bumper would have been nice, but for the sake of this post, could have been left out

I'm no engineer, but I don't think any of those changes would have been groundbreaking enough to cancel the model altogether. I think it would have been generally well received if it drove well and the tuning potential was there.

Regardless, I was definitely a little bummed out all weekend after seeing the announcement. It was pretty depressing news that is more of an indicator of the era we live in and where we're going than anything else. I purposely bought my 2020 when I did because I had a feeling the new generation car would lose the old school feel of the VA generation. Turns out I made the right call. At the time I called it the oldest new car you can buy today. And now it's finally discontinued. It pisses me off that Subaru didn't even try to launch something or even send off the old STI properly. It's more of a kick in the ass on the way out. The STI deserved better than that.

[W///]

Originally Posted by ntg44

I agree that it would have sold, but not without a ton of backlash online. I started following nasioc more since purchasing my 2020 STI, and hoo boy, there is just no making anyone happy over there. A lot of the criticism is deserved on the 2022 WRX, but the expectations for the STI to somehow fix everything and have 400hp was ridiculous. I don't know if Subaru could even build that car for under 50k/unit.

I started thinking about what I would have liked a next gen STI to be based on the current WRX, and honestly it wouldn't have taken much:

- FA24 with bigger turbo, 6500+ RPM redline, and 330HP (anything more would be great, but trying to be realistic)
- Adaptive dampers from WRX GT
- Same Aisin transmission, DCCD, and diffs from the outgoing model, with bonus points for a new rear torque vectoring diff to help rotation
- New front bumper based on the VIZIV STI concept.
- Paint the lower rocker panels body color. Leave the unpainted fenders if absolutely needed. This again follows the VIZIV STI concept.
- Big wing, with delete optional.
- A revised rear bumper would have been nice, but for the sake of this post, could have been left out

I'm no engineer, but I don't think any of those changes would have been groundbreaking enough to cancel the model altogether. I think it would have been generally well received if it drove well and the tuning potential was there.

Regardless, I was definitely a little bummed out all weekend after seeing the announcement. It was pretty depressing news that is more of an indicator of the era we live in and where we're going than anything else. I purposely bought my 2020 when I did because I had a feeling the new generation car would lose the old school feel of the VA generation. Turns out I made the right call. At the time I called it the oldest new car you can buy today. And now it's finally discontinued. It pisses me off that Subaru didn't even try to launch something or even send off the old STI properly. It's more of a kick in the ass on the way out. The STI deserved better than that.

I don't think your list is all that unrealistic to be honest, but it seems clear to me from that statement that this was more a matter of emissions than spending money to improve performance.

Like you, I'm bummed that they didn't even really send off the car properly. Just a letter that says, oh btw, no STI coming until next gen essentially. The STI did indeed deserve better than that, coming from someone that grew up in the Colin Mcrae era.

P.S. The STI's already hold their values well, I expect yours to maybe even appreciate already.

[ntg44]

Originally Posted by W///

I don't think your list is all that unrealistic to be honest, but it seems clear to me from that statement that this was more a matter of emissions than spending money to improve performance.

Like you, I'm bummed that they didn't even really send off the car properly. Just a letter that says, oh btw, no STI coming until next gen essentially. The STI did indeed deserve better than that, coming from someone that grew up in the Colin Mcrae era.

P.S. The STI's already hold their values well, I expect yours to maybe even appreciate already.

Haha yeah, I think the market is going to blow up in a few months/years. But after this announcement, I'll never sell. The 2 sports cars I own, R8, and STI, are both discontinued after this year. Cars like these don't exist anymore, and there isn't a single car I can think of that I'd replace them with. I'd love an RS6, but only to add, not replace.

Fortunately, both of them will never be my DD, so I'll be able to keep them in good shape and enjoy them for years to come. I want my kids to experience them when they're of driving age to show them what cars used to be like, what driving used to mean and how it made you feel revving out an engine and executing the perfect shift with a smile on your face. How they used to make 'em before everything became a toaster that just takes you to work and back. The good old days.

[W///]

Originally Posted by ntg44

Haha yeah, I think the market is going to blow up in a few months/years. But after this announcement, I'll never sell. The 2 sports cars I own, R8, and STI, are both discontinued after this year. Cars like these don't exist anymore, and there isn't a single car I can think of that I'd replace them with. I'd love an RS6, but only to add, not replace.

Fortunately, both of them will never be my DD, so I'll be able to keep them in good shape and enjoy them for years to come. I want my kids to experience them when they're of driving age to show them what cars used to be like, what driving used to mean and how it made you feel revving out an engine and executing the perfect shift with a smile on your face. How they used to make 'em before everything became a toaster that just takes you to work and back. The good old days.

There's actually one good thing about all this:
1) I know it's not just one brand moving in this direction, so I just never get upset anymore
2) I know that I most likely all my fun cars have already been attained unless something changes dramatically so that I can jump into a Porsche (don't have a giant urge to be honest).

While I'm still active on forums, I don't spend anywhere near as much time as I used to reading/watching car reviews, just because frankly, I don't care. Whether it's a super boring econo car or 6 figure super car that seems to come out every other month. It definitely frees up my time and makes me more grateful for what I have

[OkieSnuffBox]

I was bummed to see this as an STi was going to be on my shortlist of cars to look at this fall.

[R N M]

Originally Posted by W///

I don't think your list is all that unrealistic to be honest, but it seems clear to me from that statement that this was more a matter of emissions than spending money to improve performance.

Like you, I'm bummed that they didn't even really send off the car properly. Just a letter that says, oh btw, no STI coming until next gen essentially. The STI did indeed deserve better than that, coming from someone that grew up in the Colin Mcrae era.

P.S. The STI's already hold their values well, I expect yours to maybe even appreciate already.

I disagree it’s about emissions - just an excuse like blaming everything on Covid etc.

Somehow Nissan is bringing a new Z with V6tt and Chevy making Z06 Vette but Subaru can’t up the boost on existing engine for low volume model. It makes no sense.

If they upped the HP to 325-350hp, i think that would be plenty to differentiate from base WRX.

It’s just a cop out and sounds like a decision made by bean counters.

[kyriian]

Originally Posted by R N M

It’s just a cop out and sounds like a decision made by bean counters.

You mean the parent Toyota who as we all know are a special breed of bean counters