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      10-29-2022, 12:48 AM   #199
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I'm wondering if the new G90 M5 will still have the exhaust muffler pops on the down shifts? That's the deal breaker for me. I love how my competition pops on the down shift.
It might, but only if you're Stateside. For us in Europe, it'll likely be muted beyond recognition, given the fact that the EU isn't content with just clamping down on emissions with big engines; they're also imposing layer on layer of auditory restrictions too. I just can't imagine a hybridised V8 being that characterful. But who knows: maybe a few militant folks who still possess some residual influence within the M-Division will map in a few crackle theatrics on the overrun; but there's only so far that sort of thing can be manipulated, and it's doubtful--unless they design a fuel map that's purposefully aggressive, and that would cut against the grain of the cars-must-be-quieter-and-more-ecologically-pious trend of our current moment.
Shout out to Europe!!! Pardon me, for mentioning the pops and crackles to a fellows European brother. I thank you for your input, It really has been on my mind. I think the electric cars are cool. I take pride in driving M muscle. I'm the "Mayor" on the road,lol. They have to keep the same characteristics. I think that is what sets us apart from everyone else. Brutal Mpower rules the road. It's only 1 gear 2 gear (3 gear over 80mph) is where the Mpower crackles and pops exist. The only think bmw has to do is have an option for Mmuscle mode…. I think every electirc car manufacturer will follow, Especially any company making an electric muscle car. I'm from Jersey we take muscle cars and speed serious..
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What do you mean? V8 is here. S68B44, difference is, it's Hybrid. I know people want just-ICE cars even after whole world goes EVs, but what can you do in a period like this? You keep it just ICE? M2's the last M to be non Hybrid.
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What do you mean? V8 is here. S68B44, difference is, it's Hybrid. I know people want just-ICE cars even after whole world goes EVs, but what can you do in a period like this? You keep it just ICE? M2's the last M to be non Hybrid.
Greatings my friend,
I smoke electric cars daily. My M5 comp has about almost 75k of mileage which means, the engine is ripe. 4th gear for the highway. I'm not saying electric cars isn't faster.. I'm not saying that. I'm just saying, I smoke electric cars everyday. They have to keep the M5 characteristics. The only thing hybrid brings to the table is, better gas mileage.
KEEP THE POPS AND CRACKLES ON THE DOWN SHIfT!!!! PLEASE…
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What do you mean? V8 is here. S68B44, difference is, it's Hybrid. I know people want just-ICE cars even after whole world goes EVs, but what can you do in a period like this? You keep it just ICE? M2's the last M to be non Hybrid.
Greatings my friend,
I smoke electric cars daily. My M5 comp has about almost 75k of mileage which means, the engine is ripe. 4th gear for the highway. I'm not saying electric cars isn't faster.. I'm not saying that. I'm just saying, I smoke electric cars everyday. They have to keep the M5 characteristics. The only thing hybrid brings to the table is, better gas mileage.
KEEP THE POPS AND CRACKLES ON THE DOWN SHIfT!!!! PLEASE…
Ok Everyone,
Quick question? Should stop driving my M5 comp? I'm at 75k and my friends tend to think, my M5 competition is going to worth money after the electric M5 take over. A low mileage M5 is always a dream come true. I love driving my M5, should I be scared of putting 100k+ on it and growing old with my M5. Should I keep low mileage for future value? It priceless to me now. Your thoughts please..
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The end of V8
What do you mean? V8 is here. S68B44, difference is, it's Hybrid. I know people want just-ICE cars even after whole world goes EVs, but what can you do in a period like this? You keep it just ICE? M2's the last M to be non Hybrid.
Greatings my friend,
I smoke electric cars daily. My M5 comp has about almost 75k of mileage which means, the engine is ripe. 4th gear for the highway. I'm not saying electric cars isn't faster.. I'm not saying that. I'm just saying, I smoke electric cars everyday. They have to keep the M5 characteristics. The only thing hybrid brings to the table is, better gas mileage.
KEEP THE POPS AND CRACKLES ON THE DOWN SHIfT!!!! PLEASE…
Ok Everyone,
Quick question? Should stop driving my M5 comp? I'm at 75k and my friends tend to think, my M5 competition is going to worth money after the electric M5 take over. A low mileage M5 is always a dream come true. I love driving my M5, should I be scared of putting 100k+ on it and growing old with my M5. Should I keep low mileage for future value? It priceless to me now. Your thoughts please..
At 75k miles you'd have to stop driving it for a couple years.
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The end of V8
What do you mean? V8 is here. S68B44, difference is, it's Hybrid. I know people want just-ICE cars even after whole world goes EVs, but what can you do in a period like this? You keep it just ICE? M2's the last M to be non Hybrid.
Greatings my friend,
I smoke electric cars daily. My M5 comp has about almost 75k of mileage which means, the engine is ripe. 4th gear for the highway. I'm not saying electric cars isn't faster.. I'm not saying that. I'm just saying, I smoke electric cars everyday. They have to keep the M5 characteristics. The only thing hybrid brings to the table is, better gas mileage.
KEEP THE POPS AND CRACKLES ON THE DOWN SHIfT!!!! PLEASE…
Ok Everyone,
Quick question? Should stop driving my M5 comp? I'm at 75k and my friends tend to think, my M5 competition is going to worth money after the electric M5 take over. A low mileage M5 is always a dream come true. I love driving my M5, should I be scared of putting 100k+ on it and growing old with my M5. Should I keep low mileage for future value? It priceless to me now. Your thoughts please..
At 75k miles you'd have to stop driving it for a couple years.
My friend, is car guy. He told me the same thing. He told me "I need to stop putting mileage on My comp".
I have to be honest, it's a next level drive. I mean, what I'm I going to do? Stop driving my comp? I'm the boss In the winter. I'm the boss In The summer. Fall and spring I own. I'm putting 3k a year on my mileage. I'm not thinking about selling it. It's priceless to me. The engine. I can't explain. The twin turbo 8 opens up around 60k miles. My car was still green at 20k 25k mileage. The engine opened up around 65k mileage. The New M competition engines wakes up around 68k real talk. My M5 is more fun now!! Then when I first brought it! 100k+ plus! I think I'm going to keep driving it and never sale it. First car I hit 160 mph in.

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What do you mean? V8 is here. S68B44, difference is, it's Hybrid. I know people want just-ICE cars even after whole world goes EVs, but what can you do in a period like this? You keep it just ICE? M2's the last M to be non Hybrid.
Greatings my friend,
I smoke electric cars daily. My M5 comp has about almost 75k of mileage which means, the engine is ripe. 4th gear for the highway. I'm not saying electric cars isn't faster.. I'm not saying that. I'm just saying, I smoke electric cars everyday. They have to keep the M5 characteristics. The only thing hybrid brings to the table is, better gas mileage.
KEEP THE POPS AND CRACKLES ON THE DOWN SHIfT!!!! PLEASE…
Ok Everyone,
Quick question? Should stop driving my M5 comp? I'm at 75k and my friends tend to think, my M5 competition is going to worth money after the electric M5 take over. A low mileage M5 is always a dream come true. I love driving my M5, should I be scared of putting 100k+ on it and growing old with my M5. Should I keep low mileage for future value? It priceless to me now. Your thoughts please..
You have 75k miles already. You bought it to enjoy it. Just drive it.
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      11-19-2022, 02:00 PM   #206
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I'm wondering if the new G90 M5 will still have the exhaust muffler pops on the down shifts? That's the deal breaker for me. I love how my competition pops on the down shift.
It might, but only if you're Stateside. For us in Europe, it'll likely be muted beyond recognition, given the fact that the EU isn't content with just clamping down on emissions with big engines; they're also imposing layer on layer of auditory restrictions too. I just can't imagine a hybridised V8 being that characterful. But who knows: maybe a few militant folks who still possess some residual influence within the M-Division will map in a few crackle theatrics on the overrun; but there's only so far that sort of thing can be manipulated, and it's doubtful--unless they design a fuel map that's purposefully aggressive, and that would cut against the grain of the cars-must-be-quieter-and-more-ecologically-pious trend of our current moment.
I think it will be characteristic from the small time I had driving behind a camouflaged XM last week that was pushing it, it sounded mean and like it had character. I have high hopes
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Resale value of my m4 on order just skyrocketed
Why?
I've checked, nothing seems to skyrocket.
Actually resale values are going down.
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      10-09-2023, 05:14 PM   #209
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I've checked, nothing seems to skyrocket.
Actually resale values are going down.
yup they are going to go down because of the new hotness.

that said the standard shifter and again no physical buttons? I hate this useless march towards touch screen everything also.
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yup they are going to go down because of the new hotness.

that said the standard shifter and again no physical buttons? I hate this useless march towards touch screen everything also.
100% agree. I hate touch buttons. All these touchscreens is going to increase accident percentage. We are still driving these cars, I don’t want the car driving me.
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Slowly saving up for a down payment on this beast! Maybe the MY2026 version. The hype is getting real.
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718hp is a very low-performance number. The AMG GT63S E hybrid got 830hp, and it barely beat the current M5 Competition.
I don't know how BMW managed this with only 718HP.
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The touring looks better than the sedan (noting my bias here)
I would like to think the same thing. But we'll have to see what the final production version looks like first to really determine that.
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718hp is a very low-performance number. The AMG GT63S E hybrid got 830hp, and it barely beat the current M5 Competition.
I don't know how BMW managed this with only 718HP.
One silver lining is maybe if this thing comes in well below the price of the AMG. Over $200k based on German price is nuts. I’m on my dealer’s list for an allocation but either the looks or price might make me drop off. If it’s not a pig (looks wise, we all know it will be a porker with weight) and priced in the ballpark of the X5M (and Audi RS6 and AMG wagons) then I am so in, just not sure how likely either of those are.
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I am curious about what is going on under the screen in middle of the dashboard. I have often wondered how car companies decide horsepower. Why does the M5 and E63 always have comparable horsepower ratings? Is it collusion? That being said I do not see a need for cars with horsepower greater than the 600 hp in the current M5, but I know the expectations are for horsepower to increase with each new model. I will not be moving from my F90 to this because I keep cars for a while and the F90 has been a great car for me so far. I hope the G90 is a great car though.
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I don’t get people trying to shoehorn everything into a single really expensive vehicle. Thinking an X3M AND and M2 would do everything better than this for about the same money.
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