[Fly320s]

Originally Posted by IllSic_Design

I thought there was a typo when you first said he, then you said it again.... Wtf lmao

Welcome to California. First time here?

A lady boarded my plane in LAX today with a dog in a carrier. She said, "Say hi to Nugget." So I said my hello and then asked, "Nugget? Like chicken nugget?" She seemed really put out by that comment and said, "No! She is Vegan!" I held my tongue.

Welcome to California.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Fly320s

Welcome to California. First time here?

A lady boarded my plane in LAX today with a dog in a carrier. She said, "Say hi to Nugget." So I said my hello and then asked, "Nugget? Like chicken nugget?" She seemed really put out by that comment and said, "No! She is Vegan!" I held my tongue.

Welcome to California.

Geez! This state....

[upstatedoc]

When I was an intern working in the ER a patient came in complaining of abdominal pain. X-rays revealed a large vibrator in his lower colon. We had to call G.I. to remove it

[Joekerr]

Originally Posted by Fly320s

Welcome to California. First time here?

A lady boarded my plane in LAX today with a dog in a carrier. She said, "Say hi to Nugget." So I said my hello and then asked, "Nugget? Like chicken nugget?" She seemed really put out by that comment and said, "No! She is Vegan!" I held my tongue.

Welcome to California.

As an outsider, I'm kinda convinced the only reason you have sane people also living in your state is because it is fricking gorgeous. And warm.

I toured socal with my wife before we were married, loved it. Never went north to San Francisco though, just no draw for me there. But did a bunch of the southern areas, wineries, went to a gun range and got to shoot a S&W .500 which was memorable in itself. What a gun!

[IllSic_Design]

Originally Posted by Fly320s

Welcome to California. First time here?

A lady boarded my plane in LAX today with a dog in a carrier. She said, "Say hi to Nugget." So I said my hello and then asked, "Nugget? Like chicken nugget?" She seemed really put out by that comment and said, "No! She is Vegan!" I held my tongue.

Welcome to California.

Lol I'm about as far from naive as can be, believe me, just didn't expect a dude to be having his way with a dildo while driving. Like how do you have something up your ass and actually be able to sit/let alone drive. I could see if it was a women, it would be inserted in a slightly diff location and she could sit/drive with it

Originally Posted by Joekerr

As an outsider, I'm kinda convinced the only reason you have sane people also living in your state is because it is fricking gorgeous. And warm.

Yes, this is the only reason I still live here

Originally Posted by Joekerr

I toured socal with my wife before we were married, loved it. Never went north to San Francisco though, just no draw for me there. But did a bunch of the southern areas, wineries, went to a gun range and got to shoot a S&W .500 which was memorable in itself. What a gun

What, wineries and you didn't even make it up to Napa???

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Joekerr

As an outsider, I'm kinda convinced the only reason you have sane people also living in your state is because it is fricking gorgeous. And warm.

I toured socal with my wife before we were married, loved it. Never went north to San Francisco though, just no draw for me there. But did a bunch of the southern areas, wineries, went to a gun range and got to shoot a S&W .500 which was memorable in itself. What a gun!

Geography is all this state has going for it.

[Fly320s]

California has good geography, good weather, and ... ? Oh, yeah, an imperial shit-ton of people.

Flying out of LAX today, I was looking at the scenery below us. By scenery, I mean desert and city. The LAX metropolitan area now extends to damn near Palm Springs. That is over 100 miles of city. In a desert. I don't get it.

Nice place to visit.

[Fly320s]

Sedan (M3), do you really know all those traffic codes by memory? Or do you have to look them up?

Also, when you are writing a citation, or filling out your reports, how specific do you need to be? Is it more general such as the driver violated Section 32 (I'm making this up. No idea if it is accurate)? Or more specific such as the driver violated Section 32, Chapter 1, Paragraph 3, subparagraph 2?

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Fly320s

Sedan (M3), do you really know all those traffic codes by memory? Or do you have to look them up?

Also, when you are writing a citation, or filling out your reports, how specific do you need to be? Is it more general such as the driver violated Section 32 (I'm making this up. No idea if it is accurate)? Or more specific such as the driver violated Section 32, Chapter 1, Paragraph 3, subparagraph 2?

I know many, many vehicle and penal codes by memory and I'm always studying......learning. It's like a game to me. I keep flash cards with me all of the time. When I have/create downtime, I pull out a stack and run through them. I have a visual memory. I'll be making a new flash card stack for all of the crap I need to learn for July's DRE school. There's so much info. I need to know the entire drug/alcohol matrix.....by heart....all categories.....including the citations.

When writing a report, the information has to be correct, subsection and all. Sure, the DA could choose to correct/upgrade/downgrade the charge(s), but I don't like looking stupid by citing the wrong charge. I do make mistakes, but I try to minimize them because the reports we write go all over the county or state sometimes. I want my name to be associated with solid paper.

[2000cs]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Question from me to those of you who peruse this thread:

When you are pulled over and detained on a traffic stop by law enforcement, what can we do to reduce your anxiety/nervousness?

First, quit it. Unless there is something really excessive or unsafe, just leave us alone. And red light cameras and speed cameras really get under my skin. (That said, I drive close to the limit, usually).

The pucker starts when the lights come on. I may think you pulled me over for speeding, for example, but I really don’t know. I do know that the more I cooperate and play along with your questions and demands, the more I’m compromising my rights. And the reverse is true as well, the more I assert my rights or clam up, the more aggressive cops seem to get.

Just come up to the window, tell me why you stopped me, ask for my ID and registration, and either ticket me or warn me. Don’t start with the “do you know why I pulled you over” game. Try to make it a positive interaction instead of a “gotcha”.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by 2000cs

First, quit it. Unless there is something really excessive or unsafe, just leave us alone. And red light cameras and speed cameras really get under my skin. (That said, I drive close to the limit, usually).

The pucker starts when the lights come on. I may think you pulled me over for speeding, for example, but I really don't know. I do know that the more I cooperate and play along with your questions and demands, the more I'm compromising my rights. And the reverse is true as well, the more I assert my rights or clam up, the more aggressive cops seem to get.

Just come up to the window, tell me why you stopped me, ask for my ID and registration, and either ticket me or warn me. Don't start with the "do you know why I pulled you over" game. Try to make it a positive interaction instead of a "gotcha".

Well tell me how you really feel!!


In all seriousness, we ask the question as a way to start assessing your truthfulness. We also ask because sometimes people truly are clueless as to the reason why they are being stopped. Every situation is different.

P.S. What you deem excessive or safe/unsafe may vary from our perspective. You may think running through the stop sign was no big deal because nobody was around......


.....until there is, and you end up killing someone.

[premier3is]

Are you more likely to ticket someone driving a nice car like a BMW, Benz or Audi or vehicles in that "luxury" class?

The reason why I ask is I was stopped for speeding a few years ago and at the end I mentioned something in the nature of "what a way to start my day..." and he mentioned "well, atleast you got a nice car...." (I was driving a new Lexus IS then)

What the fuck is that supposed to imply? I was basically driving same speed as the person next to me in an old Toyota SUV, almost side by side and he decides to pull me over.

Anyways went to court over it and the idiot never showed up, dismissed.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by premier3is

Are you more likely to ticket someone driving a nice car like a BMW, Benz or Audi or vehicles in that "luxury" class?

The reason why I ask is I was stopped for speeding a few years ago and at the end I mentioned something in the nature of "what a way to start my day..." and he mentioned "well, atleast you got a nice car...." (I was driving a new Lexus IS then)

What the fuck is that supposed to imply? I was basically driving same speed as the person next to me in an old Toyota SUV, almost side by side and he decides to pull me over.

Anyways went to court over it and the idiot never showed up, dismissed.

I don't care about cars, although you're more likely to catch my attention in a Nissan Altima or Dodge Charger because gangsters love those two cars (...and Altima drivers are always dirty.....meaning, guns/dope/warrants).

[Littlebear]

Originally Posted by Vivek.

Could not agree more. Cops tend to put on this tough guy persona and when you're dealing with a skinny guy with no weapons in a clean BMW it's simply unnecessary.

I've been pulled over by a full spectrum, some that were relaxed and comfortable with me and allowed me to be relaxed with them, others that were constantly trying to act like they're better, stronger, tougher, and can exert control/power over you....all they did was make me want to become a defense attorney more than I already do

I've been pulled for too much tint (E46, stock tint).
Back license plate light out ("Can I look? Wait, it's on...?" Cop didn't show in court.)
My bro has been pulled for driving a van to Thanksgiving dinner at a NJ cousin's house.
Upstate there is one town where the cops get on your tail when you enter, & tailgate until you exit. I try not to move my head too fast, or let my dog bark.
Yes, cops are human, and we should give them a break....

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Vivek.

Could not agree more. Cops tend to put on this tough guy persona and when you're dealing with a skinny guy with no weapons in a clean BMW it's simply unnecessary.

I've been pulled over by a full spectrum, some that were relaxed and comfortable with me and allowed me to be relaxed with them, others that were constantly trying to act like they're better, stronger, tougher, and can exert control/power over you....all they did was make me want to become a defense attorney more than I already do

Wow I've never been stopped over here apart from when I was breathalysed speeding in my Porsche some time back, lining me up with others that had been pulled over and was let off the speeding when test was negative which is the law here.

[Littlebear]

"AR bullet velocity is like 2-3x than a handgun or something which is a huge difference on impact."

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

....
No! You're wrong. This is where education and experience will provide insight. Velocity is partially about round design and partially about mixture. Some 9mm rounds are only a few hundred feet-per-second difference than the AR .300 Blackout round, for example. What a bullet/round does on impact has more to do with how the round is designed. Just because it's a high velocity round does not mean it will do more damage. Velocity provides more reach....

So is his!!! I don't mean that pejoratively; just a fact.

Physics 101: F=MxV
Force = mass x velocity.

I do not want to explain how this force, plus the modern design of bullets, impacts on a body.
Probably the biggest reason rifles have more muzzle velocity than pistols is because the longer barrel can harness the the power of the powder for a longer time/distance. Bullet design & weight are also factors.
There is a reason even the poorest "soldiers" use an AK rather than an Enfield, like they used to. A: Because it is a better killing machine.

Murf

[Littlebear]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Wow I've never been stopped over here apart from when I was breathalysed speeding in my Porsche some time back, lining me up with others that had been pulled over and was let off the speeding when test was negative which is the law here.

I drive a parkway in NY where every little town it goes through can share in ticket revenue. The speed limit is 55 because it is a parkway. Rarely do I get to the mountains without going through a half dozen speed traps!
So I don't scare anyone: I try to keep below 10mph above, but often slip to 15mph above posted! I have never gotten a ticket(s) severe enough to raise my insurance (I know what's important), and haven't had a crash since 15 yrs old.

Murf

[Fly320s]

Originally Posted by Littlebear

"AR bullet velocity is like 2-3x than a handgun or something which is a huge difference on impact."



Physics 101: F=MxV
Force = mass x velocity.


Murf

That is correct for Force, but bullet energy is typically measured as kinetic energy.

The bullet kinetic energy is calculated as KE = 1/2 x M x V x V One-half of mass times velocity squared. We also calculate muzzle energy as M x V x V, which is how most ammunition manufacturers calculate the muzzle energy. So, yes, velocity matters. It is the high velocity of the bullet that makes the difference in terminal performance.

You are right that rifles are better killing machines than pistols, which is why we use rifles when we can. We carry pistols because they are easier to carry. The compromise in ballistics is worth the benefit of not having to carry a rifle.

The reason rifles have more velocity than pistols is because rifles use more gun powder and less bullet.

For example:

9mm pistol bullet weighing 124 grains has a MV around 1,100 fps.

5.56mm rifle bullet at 55 grains has a MV of 2,900 fps.

[Littlebear]

Thanks 320!

Pls confirm that a barrel length will affect bullet velocity, since a longer barrel will be able to use the power of the powder charge for a longer time/distance in pushing the bullet.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Littlebear

I drive a parkway in NY where every little town it goes through can share in ticket revenue. The speed limit is 55 because it is a parkway. Rarely do I get to the mountains without going through a half dozen speed traps!
So I don't scare anyone: I try to keep below 10mph above, but often slip to 15mph above posted! I have never gotten a ticket(s) severe enough to raise my insurance (I know what's important), and haven't had a crash since 15 yrs old.

Murf

That says to me you are a good driver Sir!

[Fly320s]

Originally Posted by Littlebear

Thanks 320!

Pls confirm that a barrel length will affect bullet velocity, since a longer barrel will be able to use the power of the powder charge for a longer time/distance in pushing the bullet.

It certainly can and usually does, but it is not a guarantee. And it depends on the gunpowder used. There is a limit to the ROI, though.

Some powders burn very fast so the powder burns up before the bullet goes too far. Those powders are usually used in pistol cartridges. Slower burning powders are normally used in rifle cartridges.

This guy did a test to see how barrel length affects velocity for the 5.56 NATO cartridge. The ratio of barrel length to velocity is not linear. https://rifleshooter.com/2015/12/223...s-to-6-inches/

Here is similar data for the 9mm cartridge. http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/9luger.html

[Murf993]

Originally Posted by Fly320s

That is correct for Force, but bullet energy is typically measured as kinetic energy.

The bullet kinetic energy is calculated as KE = 1/2 x M x V x V One-half of mass times velocity squared. We also calculate muzzle energy as M x V x V, which is how most ammunition manufacturers calculate the muzzle energy. So, yes, velocity matters. It is the high velocity of the bullet that makes the difference in terminal performance.

You are right that rifles are better killing machines than pistols, which is why we use rifles when we can. We carry pistols because they are easier to carry. The compromise in ballistics is worth the benefit of not having to carry a rifle.

The reason rifles have more velocity than pistols is because rifles use more gun powder and less bullet.

For example:

9mm pistol bullet weighing 124 grains has a MV around 1,100 fps.

5.56mm rifle bullet at 55 grains has a MV of 2,900 fps.

A handgun is really a defensive weapon, it's easy to carry with extra ammo. But if I was getting out of the car and was really concerned about safety I'd defer to the pipe every time. More accurate, more penetration, just not practical to walk around with all the time. Your remarks about ballistics is spot on.