[2000cs]

Originally Posted by rwheels

Human nature?

GENESIS 3:
12 And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.

13 And the Lord God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.

And, as a man, I’m looking for reparations for me and all the men back to Adam.

[Littlebear]

Originally Posted by Murf993

Just when you thought it was safe to go back in the water.

"Don't poke the Little Bear"

[Littlebear]

Originally Posted by 2000cs

And, as a man, I’m looking for reparations for me and all the men back to Adam.

According to some beliefs, women have been punished already by having a period every month!

[TiMSport]

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by TiMSport

Quiet.. no crunching.

[TiMSport]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Quiet.. no crunching.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by TiMSport

That's better.

[TiMSport]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

That's better.

Now back to the show....

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by TiMSport

Now back to the show....

Cheers!

[Littlebear]

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[rebekahb]

@Sedan_Clan you mentioned around 700 people leaving the force this year. Which departments is that coming from? How many recruits are coming in? Just trying to get a better idea of how that affects everything vs assuming.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by rebekahb

@Sedan_Clan you mentioned around 700 people leaving the force this year. Which departments is that coming from? How many recruits are coming in? Just trying to get a better idea of how that affects everything vs assuming.

I'm with L.A. County. We have zero recruits coming in. Last year we didn't run many classes at all. If I remember correctly we ran maybe 5 max; all half the size of a normal class due to COVID (...60-ish trainees versus 110-ish; a mixture of Deputy Sheriff Trainees [D.S.T.] and Police Officer Recruits from Participating Agencies). Compare that to 2019 where we were running academy classes every 3 or 4 weeks and using three different academy locations (..which allowed us to run five classes simultaneously). I was at the academy last week and the week prior to that, and there is currently one class that is about to graduate that has less than 10 D.S.T.'s; it's mostly full of officer recruits for other police agencies. There's a possibility we may run one class this summer, but that class will be for people who are already on the department as a D.S.T., but who were unable to start the academy last year due to COVID. At the current time our entire training staff has been farmed out to do other things since we aren't running classes. The academy was like a ghost town. We will be severely impacted by the 700 retirements.

[bayarea328xit]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

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"We have double the amount of retirements scheduled for this year. We were originally expected to have just slightly over 300, but we have 704."

Does this mean that you expected just over 300 retirements to date in 2021 and already have 704? If yes, that is terrifying.

[F30lolz]

I’ll move near you Sedan_Clan and be your boot. Show me the ropes!

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by bayarea328xit

"We have double the amount of retirements scheduled for this year. We were originally expected to have just slightly over 300, but we have 704."

Does this mean that you expected just over 300 retirements to date in 2021 and already have 704? If yes, that is terrifying.

Exactly that. When a person is ready to retire, they submit paperwork and give/are provided a termination of service date. It is terrifying indeed to see a number that is more than double the expected number. I have already been told that if California removes qualified immunity for officers, more people will retire (...and those who can't retire, but who are in a patrol function - like myself - will leave patrol indefinitely).

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by F30lolz

I'll move near you Sedan_Clan and be your boot. Show me the ropes!

Come on down! We need good people.

[jamesinaz]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Lol! Unless that community contracts with local law enforcement to patrol there, you're good.

We use Maricopa County Sheriff for police services. They are rarely here and rarely needed. I haven't heard of any serious accidents with carts and liquor but half the HOA board members are sitting drinking with me so

[rebekahb]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

I'm with L.A. County. We have zero recruits coming in. Last year we didn't run many classes at all. If I remember correctly we ran maybe 5 max; all half the size of a normal class due to COVID (...60-ish trainees versus 110-ish; a mixture of Deputy Sheriff Trainees [D.S.T.] and Police Officer Recruits from Participating Agencies). Compare that to 2019 where we were running academy classes every 3 or 4 weeks and using three different academy locations (..which allowed us to run five classes simultaneously). I was at the academy last week and the week prior to that, and there is currently one class that is about to graduate that has less than 10 D.S.T.'s; it's mostly full of officer recruits for other police agencies. There's a possibility we may run one class this summer, but that class will be for people who are already on the department as a D.S.T., but who were unable to start the academy last year due to COVID. At the current time our entire training staff has been farmed out to do other things since we aren't running classes. The academy was like a ghost town. We will be severely impacted by the 700 retirements.

Thanks for taking time to answer! I can't imagine anyone wanting to even put them selves out there at this time. My husband was talking to one of our LEO friends this am. He's in one of the best departments here. He said that if he had another opportunity for work he would turn in his badge tomorrow. He said that he will not encourage anyone especially his children to join law enforcement. It's sad to see someone who had a career they loved and lived for now despondent.

[bayarea328xit]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Exactly that. When a person is ready to retire, they submit paperwork and give/are provided a termination of service date. It is terrifying indeed to see a number that is more than double the expected number. I have already been told that if California removes qualified immunity for officers, more people will retire (...and those who can't retire, but who are in a patrol function - like myself - will leave patrol indefinitely).

The long term effects of the current social and political environment will be devastating to a lot of communities. Not many people appreciate the harm that will come from this.

These systems and processes take years to build momentum - once a change takes hold, it is hard to correct or mitigate the damage.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by rebekahb

Thanks for taking time to answer! I can't imagine anyone wanting to even put them selves out there at this time. My husband was talking to one of our LEO friends this am. He's in one of the best departments here. He said that if he had another opportunity for work he would turn in his badge tomorrow. He said that he will not encourage anyone especially his children to join law enforcement. It's sad to see someone who had a career they loved and lived for now despondent.

This is something echoed by most of my partners - many of whom came from law enforcement families - when I ask if they want their son(s)/daughter(s) to follow in their footsteps. Many times I receive a resounding [verbatim], "Hell no! I don't want them dealing with this shit!," kind of response. It's sad because these people are passionate.....or at least they were at some point. I'm only the second person in my family to enter law enforcement, but that other person isn't even a blood relative; it was a family-by-marriage relation.....and she retired from the California Highway Patrol November of 2020. My mother never wanted me to become a cop, but it was a calling.

Originally Posted by bayarea328xit

The long term effects of the current social and political environment will be devastating to a lot of communities. Not many people appreciate the harm that will come from this.

These systems and processes take years to build momentum - once a change takes hold, it is hard to correct or mitigate the damage.

I agree. Once the damage is done it will be hard to reverse it.

[cmyx6go]

Hey Sedan- I got a notice of data breach from Farmers insurance saying they believe my drivers license may have been obtained. I don’t have Farmers, never did and never even contacted them for a quote. I googled Farmers data breach and the only thing that came up was from 2010. I googled the phone number shown and it didn’t come up as Farmers number. The letter looks legit but I’m not calling that number.

Is there some centralized info or database where all insurance companies would have all DL info?

I’ll call a general number tomorrow from work. My credit is pretty locked but still. Argh!

[kscarrol]

Sedan will chime in but just sounds like a spam effort to me and personally, I wouldn't call the number. Assume you don't have your SSN on your license....