[Lups]

Originally Posted by erttuli

Sentences are low comparatively even if you murder/kill someone. You can get as much time in jail for financial crimes, does not seem reasonable to me?
At least that one knife junkie got what he deserved when he tried to stab a woman in the middle of a highway near Lahti. Sentences are fucked up in Finland honestly. Took 3 shots from the police to get that fucker down.

I'd rather have it that way than to risk witnesses.

[Kev312]

Originally Posted by sleeprequired

I like shooting guns too, but I’ll gladly give it up if everyone in the states does to! Anything to bring those people back or make their deaths meaningful in some remote way if that’s at all possible.

If gun ownership truly makes people safer when was the last time a nut job like this was stopped by another citizen with a gun. It just does t seem to happen regularly enough to justify the risk.

I know it’s a big deal for people from the states but those guns aren’t helping anyone. Get rid of them. It’ll take a while, it’ll never be perfect, but at least you’ll honour all those people killed by nut jobs turned into WMD’s by military grade weapons.

The only way the US could get rid of all the guns is by having every single house and vehicle raided by the US government. Which isn't going to happen. People will not give up their firearms, and they will always be a part of American life.

I will not give up mine. I take great care in securing my firearms, using them, and abiding by the law. I know that when I go out in public I have enough self awareness to assess particular situations, and my right to carry could save my life one day, or I could never have to use it at all. Nobody knows in public, and nobody will ever know, and life goes on as intended.

There can be some legislative changes made REGARDING gun laws, for example restrictions on how many one can possess, purchase in a lifetime / per year..., but these are all deterrents. If someone is inclined to kill, they will find the means to make it happen. Look at the unabomber for example.

[1MOREMOD]

That was a unique situation to have a good guy with a gun solve the problem. What would have happened if every other person in surrounding rooms had similar rifles? Would he have shot as many rounds or even attempted?

[insanecoder]

If the government gave up all its guns
and all the criminals gave up all their guns
then Ill give up guns

but itll never happen cause both those parties are addicted to guns

[Haywood]

Originally Posted by JIMT8292

Just heard someone say that after all these mass shooting Americans do 3 things.

1 Tweet RIPs
2 Lower flags
3 Say lessons must be learnt


With the very greatest respect Americans must be very slow learners as living in the UK no one can understand why a country can keep letting these things happen.

How many of the 22000 people at that event were gun owners?
There was a guy on the news who lost a friend in Vagas and 2 days later he is in a shop buying an AK47 !

These terrible mass shootings don't really seem to shock alot of people anymore, unlike the terror attack in Europe.
If a country is unwilling to address the problem ...

Again, pretty easy for you and other foreigners to make comments when you don't actually live here. There are gun issues in the US. This is not an easy solution to solve. Let me ask you these questions:

1. What are you guys doing to close your borders to refugees coming into your country?
2. Why do you allow a separate court for Sharia Law?
3. What are you doing to stop ISIS from renting vehicles and mowing innocent people down on the streets?

Amazing how UK folks sit in their Ivory Tower talk about how we're supposed to run our country when you have some serious issues to solve on your own. You have many, many ISIS cells in your country and you allow them to go to and fro from your country. How about figuring that out?

Just because you watch liberal news, it's make everything you hear is true.

[JIMT8292]

Originally Posted by Haywood

Again, pretty easy for you and other foreigners to make comments when you don't actually live here. There are gun issues in the US. This is not an easy solution to solve. Let me ask you these questions:

1. What are you guys doing to close your borders to refugees coming into your country?
2. Why do you allow a separate court for Sharia Law?
3. What are you doing to stop ISIS from renting vehicles and mowing innocent people down on the streets?

Amazing how UK folks sit in their Ivory Tower talk about how we're supposed to run our country when you have some serious issues to solve on your own. You have many, many ISIS cells in your country and you allow them to go to and fro from your country. How about figuring that out?

Just because you watch liberal news, it's make everything you hear is true.

I'm guessing you own a gun

[BOOF-M3]

I am hoping this is being expressed as I want it to. Offending people on either side of the isle is never my intention.
Where is George Carlson when we need him. I'm not suggesting that this is a time for humor nor am I suggesting that I agree with his take on guns. But he is not the typical liberal Hollywood person demanding that we all conform to how they think we should conform but then they themselves have hired bodyguards with conceal and carry permits. We could really use Carlins genius right now.
I had previously mentioned that Tom Petty was entertaining those who died in Vegas up there in heaven, and I'm sure that Carlin would be honored to be his/their opening act. I'm also certain that U.S. Navy Seal Chris Kyle is standing guard over those who perished. I'm sure it is his honor, it would certainly be mine. Please take 15 seconds to watch this video in honor of those lost in Vegas.

[Haywood]

Originally Posted by JIMT8292

I'm guessing you own a gun

What difference does that make? You made a statement, now back it up. You stated, "If a country is unwilling to address the problem ..."

First, what do you mean by the context of your statement (finish your sentence) and what is your country doing to address your issues?

[nyalpine90]

Originally Posted by 1MOREMOD

That was a unique situation to have a good guy with a gun solve the problem. What would have happened if every other person in surrounding rooms had similar rifles? Would he have shot as many rounds or even attempted?

this can be applied to all of shootings. if the next person is carrying they would think twice before firing.

[JIMT8292]

Originally Posted by Haywood

What difference does that make? You made a statement, now back it up. You stated, "If a country is unwilling to address the problem ..."

First, what do you mean by the context of your statement (finish your sentence) and what is your country doing to address your issues?

If a country is unwilling to address the problem ...

.. another 11000+ people will die next year and every year after.

.. other countries around the world will be less inclined to listen to America telling them how they should run their countries.

.. people (wrongly maybe) stop feeling sorry for the innocent people who keep getting killed as many will have voted in support of gun laws and own guns themselves.

And I think you'll find this thread is about a mass shooting in the US not the UK but to answer your questions. We don't have sharia courts, we take refugees because we are humane people who help other people when they need it and your other point is just stupid.

[Lups]

Originally Posted by nyalpine90

this can be applied to all of shootings. if the next person is carrying they would think twice before firing.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...mepage%2Fstory

Why on earth would they?

[nyalpine90]

Originally Posted by Lups

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...mepage%2Fstory

Why on earth would they?

hes a clown.

if some1 in close range was carrying perhaps the number of deaths wouldve been less.

[Haywood]

Originally Posted by JIMT8292

If a country is unwilling to address the problem ...

.. another 11000+ people will die next year and every year after.

.. other countries around the world will be less inclined to listen to America telling them how they should run their countries.

.. people (wrongly maybe) stop feeling sorry for the innocent people who keep getting killed as many will have voted in support of gun laws and own guns themselves.

And I think you'll find this thread is about a mass shooting in the US not the UK but to answer your questions. We don't have sharia courts, we take refugees because we are humane people who help other people when they need it and your other point is just stupid.

Really? I guess you don't know what's going on in your own country.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...ell-uk-6957168

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...ia-courts.html

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politi...mic-legal-code

Also, your lack of empathy is pretty pathetic. I don't think you've seen many US folks go on the terrorist threads in UK and say, well, you keep letting in refugees so I guess you deserve this. Definitely shows what kind of person you are.

[Lups]

Originally Posted by nyalpine90

hes a clown.

if some1 in close range was carrying perhaps the number of deaths wouldve been less.

The panicking masses would've ran him or her over, the distance was about 1200 ft and if he or she wasn't a seal basically, the adrenaline alone would've made the shooter accurate enough to hit the hotel.

The shooter had the higher ground, and i doubt he was shaking in adrenaline. I read he had those looking thingies (i forgot the word lol!) so he would've seen the flames and he would've easily shot the shooter too.

I do agree that man is a joke.

[1MOREMOD]

Originally Posted by nyalpine90

this can be applied to all of shootings. if the next person is carrying they would think twice before firing.

I was referring to this particular instance. Not so easy for a civilian to storm a room and kill the bad guy despite being armed. My guess is more than a few in the hotel had guns and could have been there sooner than an hour. Hotel security for instance.

[JIMT8292]

Originally Posted by Haywood

Really? I guess you don't know what's going on in your own country.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...ell-uk-6957168

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...ia-courts.html

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politi...mic-legal-code

Also, your lack of empathy is pretty pathetic. I don't think you've seen many US folks go on the terrorist threads in UK and say, well, you keep letting in refugees so I guess you deserve this. Definitely shows what kind of person you are.

It's good to see you read quality and unbiased papers.

The rulings of sharia councils (not courts) are not recognized by the state.

I have alot of sympathy with the victims of any crime and certainly don't think people deserve to die at the hands of a lunatic, however I'd expect the goverment of the country I live in to make it difficult for the lunatic to buy a gun and I wouldn't vote for a party or a person who beleives that more guns make for a safer place to live.

Sadly being a gun owner or someone who maybe believed that owning a gun gave you better protection didn't save any of those poor people the other day.

Any country that can see 20 children murdered in a school and still do nothing isn't a country I would want to live in or be proud to call my home.

You carry on carrying and I dearly hope you never have to use it and no one you love falls victim to another gun owner who's just having a bad day.

[Kev312]

Originally Posted by JIMT8292

And I think you'll find this thread is about a mass shooting in the US not the UK but to answer your questions. We don't have sharia courts, we take refugees because we are humane people who help other people when they need it and your other point is just stupid.

So what do you propose to do about all the bombings and cars running over people in EU? These are global HUMAN psychological issues that need to be resolved, not specific to any singular location.


You go on and on about gun laws, but it's a constitutional right to own a gun. You can't stop crazy by taking away one piece of the puzzle. If he hadn't had a rifle at his dispense, maybe he would have thought of a way to just blow everyone up. You can't qualify crazy.


And you say as a country we do nothing. With your expert opinion, how would you remove this risk at this point of our nations age? What's the easy fix that everyone in EU seems to have such a grasp on. It's easy being an outsider looking in.

[Lups]

Originally Posted by Haywood

Really? I guess you don't know what's going on in your own country.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...ell-uk-6957168

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...ia-courts.html

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politi...mic-legal-code

Also, your lack of empathy is pretty pathetic. I don't think you've seen many US folks go on the terrorist threads in UK and say, well, you keep letting in refugees so I guess you deserve this. Definitely shows what kind of person you are.

I think empathy is definitely needed now, and the people of uk have shown an outpour of it. Even the mayors of cities like London have taken the time to show sympathy and support like every normal person does in this kind of a situation.

[JIMT8292]

Originally Posted by Kev312

So what do you propose to do about all the bombings and cars running over people in EU? These are global HUMAN psychological issues that need to be resolved, not specific to any singular location.


You go on and on about gun laws, but it's a constitutional right to own a gun. You can't stop crazy by taking away one piece of the puzzle. If he hadn't had a rifle at his dispense, maybe he would have thought of a way to just blow everyone up. You can't qualify crazy.


And you say as a country we do nothing. With your expert opinion, how would you remove this risk at this point of our nations age? What's the easy fix that everyone in EU seems to have such a grasp on. It's easy being an outsider looking in.

I don't know how you stop people renting vans and running people over but here in the UK we do have a pretty good success rate at stopping alot of attacks and as a result have suffered less than those in mainland Europe.

If I was American I'd support any change in the law that aimed to reduce gun ownership.

I would make all hand guns and semi auto guns illegal from 1st Jan 2020.

I would ask people to hand all soon to be illegal guns in at disposal centres and compensate them at $500 a weapon (it'll be worthless in 2 years and will land you in prison).

I would then allow any firearms licence holder own a max of two long barrelled weapons after they had re-applied for their licence with new licencing laws and background checks.

I would then have a fixed 5 year prison sentance for anyone illegally holding a firearm.

I'm not stupid enough to think it will ever happen as there is alot of stupid people in the world.

... and for the record it breaks my heart to see whats happening in your country, I've only been once and loved it but your children deserve a better way of living. Stop being afraid of everyone and everything.

Don't ask anymore questions as I'm done with this thread now.

Have a nice day

[Hawkeye]

Originally Posted by JIMT8292

I'm guessing you own a gun

A vast majority of Americans do so that is a pretty solid guess.

[Gooner5643]

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[Hawkeye]

Originally Posted by JIMT8292

I don't know how you stop people renting vans and running people over but here in the UK we do have a pretty good success rate at stopping alot of attacks and as a result have suffered less than those in mainland Europe.

If I was American I'd support any change in the law that aimed to reduce gun ownership.

I would make all hand guns and semi auto guns illegal from 1st Jan 2020.

I would ask people to hand all soon to be illegal guns in at disposal centres and compensate them at $500 a weapon (it'll be worthless in 2 years and will land you in prison).

I would then allow any firearms licence holder own a max of two long barrelled weapons after they had re-applied for their licence with new licencing laws and background checks.

I would then have a fixed 5 year prison sentance for anyone illegally holding a firearm.

I'm not stupid enough to think it will ever happen as there is alot of stupid people in the world.

... and for the record it breaks my heart to see whats happening in your country, I've only been once and loved it but your children deserve a better way of living. Stop being afraid of everyone and everything.

Don't ask anymore questions as I'm done with this thread now.

Have a nice day

Sounds similar to what Austrailia did a while back. Their annual murder rate is the same as it was before they banned guns. Taking one tool away won't stop the real problem. It makes it very marginally harder.

The guy owned two planes... if he had not used guns, I wonder what he would have done.