[KlausPA]

Originally Posted by Fundguy1

Omg really? Wall street backs democrats. Insurance companies back democrats. Lawyers back democrats. Why? Because they protect their revenue streams. Hillary has dozens of backers larger than the Koch brothers. JP Morgan for example? Bank of America? Largest Obama donor and political donor for that matter in Florida is Morgan and Morgan. An ambulance chasing law firm. The Democrat party is built on serving special interest groups and donors.

The meaning of my post was to show that you cannot say "US the is greatest country in the world because we have a better government system that say Mexico which is run by cartels"

Two things:

1- When are we going to stop comparing ourselves with less developed nations such as Mexico and find comfort in it?

2- It doesn't matter if corporation X backs the left or the right... It makes it wrong thus it cannot be used to say "'murica is the greatest nation in the world"

[KlausPA]

Originally Posted by Fundguy1

Look at the donor lists. I'm totally serious. They play it off like republicans are the ones backed by them. It's bs. Hell, corozine was ceo of jp Morgan and bloomberg? Soros? All wall street investment guys.

It doesn't matter who donates to who... It is the fact that the government caters for the donors and not the American people. The greatest nation in the world caters for the people, not corporations and/or personal agendas.

[KlausPA]

Can we get back on topic please?

USA the greatest country in the world... Why?

[Fundguy1]

Originally Posted by KlausPA

It doesn't matter who donates to who... It is the fact that the government caters for the donors and not the American people. The greatest nation in the world caters for the people, not corporations and/or personal agendas.

Sure it does. People vote for the Democrats because they think the Republicans are the party of the rich elite wall street types. This is part of the divide and demonize campaign they've been running for decades. War on women. Racism. Evil wealthy. Etc. Total bs.

But that said America is the greatest country internally because it offers the greatest opportunity to succeed and improve your life, also well as the most amount of freedoms. It's the greatest externally because it feeds the world, keeps the peace, and steps up in times of international need.

[csu87]

Originally Posted by KlausPA

Can we get back on topic please?

USA the greatest country in the world... Why?

/thread

[fecurtis]

Originally Posted by csu87

/thread

I think that pretty much seals it.

[fecurtis]

Originally Posted by Fundguy1

Sure it does. People vote for the Democrats because they think the Republicans are the party of the rich elite wall street types. This is part of the divide and demonize campaign they've been running for decades. War on women. Racism. Evil wealthy. Etc. Total bs.

To be fair, Wall Street tends to give more money to Republicans than Democrats due to the fact that republicans tend to favor less regulation that make business difficult or more expensive for the banking industry.

Tech companies and the like tend to give more money to Democrats.

Of course this isn't a set rule, it just depends on who the billionaire/large corporation and who the specific individual is really. They'll give money to whichever party/person they feel will make it easier for them to do business. You'd think none of this news should be surprising but who knows? People are retarded.

[KlausPA]

Originally Posted by Fundguy1

But that said America is the greatest country internally because it offers the greatest opportunity to succeed and improve your life, also well as the most amount of freedoms.

How do you figure? What base do you have to make such statement? Show me.

Originally Posted by Fundguy1

It's the greatest externally because it feeds the world, keeps the peace, and steps up in times of international need.

France, Australia, UK, Germany, etc... They all step up just like the US.

[UncleWede]

When was the last time one of the "coalition forces" was LEAD by one of those counrties mentioned above? They come into the fold, kicking and screaming, AFTER several visits from the US Sec o' State.

[Fundguy1]

Originally Posted by KlausPA

How do you figure? What base do you have to make such statement? Show me.



France, Australia, UK, Germany, etc... They all step up just like the US.

First one upward mobility is highest in US and income taxes lower.
Second one is a joke. They send token forces. Only one that generally steps up is Britain. Even then in UN forces or any other conflict, both gulf wars for example, US forces outnumber all other countries combined by a wide margin. Generally 2 to one.
List of Coalition forces by number of military personnel
Country Number of Personnel Comments / Major Events
United States 697,000[1] Operation Desert Shield
Operation Desert Storm
Battle of Khafji
Battle of 73 Easting
Battle of Al Busayyah
Battle of Phase Line Bullet
Battle of Medina Ridge
Battle of Wadi Al-Batin
Battle of Norfolk
Saudi Arabia 60,000 – 100,000 Operation Desert Shield
Battle of Khafji
Operation Desert Storm
United Kingdom 53,462[2] Operation Granby
Egypt 20,000 Operation Desert Storm
France 18,000 Opération Daguet
Syria 14,500 Operation Desert Storm
Morocco 13,000 Security Personnel
Kuwait 9,900 Invasion of Kuwait
Operation Desert Storm
Oman 6,300 Operation Desert Storm
Pakistan 4,900 – 5,500 Backup team
Canada 4,600 Operation Friction
United Arab Emirates 4,300 Operation Desert Storm
Qatar 2,600 Battle of Khafji
Bangladesh 2,300[3] (Operation Moru-prantar) Security Personnel including 2 field Ambulance teams
Italy 1,200 Deployed 8 Panavia Tornado strike attack aircraft, Naval deployment
Australia 700 Australian contribution to the 1991 Gulf War
Netherlands 700 Naval deployment; Air Force deployments of Surface-to-Air Missiles to Turkey and Israel
Niger 600 Patroller group
Sweden 525[4] Field hospital
Argentina 500 Navy / Air Force
Senegal 500 Base Guards
Spain 500 on the field / 3,000 off the coast Engineers
Bahrain 400 Base Guards
Belgium 400 Base Engineers
Poland 319 Operation Simoom
Naval & medical deployment
South Korea 314 Medical & transportation support
Czechoslovakia 200 Operation Desert Shield
Operation Desert Storm
Czechoslovakia in the Gulf War
Greece 200 Pilots
Denmark 100 HDMS Olfert Fischer (Niels Juel Class Korvet)
New Zealand 100 2 C-130 Hercules transporter aircraft[5]
Hungary 50
Norway 280 Naval vessel & Field hospital + intelligence information

[fecurtis]

Originally Posted by Fundguy1

First one upward mobility is highest in US and income taxes lower.
Second one is a joke. They send token forces. Only one that generally steps up is Britain. Even then in UN forces or any other conflict, both gulf wars for example, US forces outnumber all other countries combined by a wide margin. Generally 2 to one.

Makes sense when you think about it. We invest heavily in the military. That money, while it gets a lot of attention both positive and negative, is to protect our interests.

[Hawkeye]

I have travelled a lot, gone to college abroad, had a career in Europe and always seem to find my way back to Middle America. It is the best for me and my ideals (If the government would just stick to their original purpose and stop trying to be the world police and give handouts to every joe shmo that doesn't want to put forth a fair effort then it would be perfect for me)

[Delta0311]

Originally Posted by Fundguy1

First one upward mobility is highest in US and income taxes lower.
Second one is a joke. They send token forces. Only one that generally steps up is Britain. Even then in UN forces or any other conflict, both gulf wars for example, US forces outnumber all other countries combined by a wide margin. Generally 2 to one.
List of Coalition forces by number of military personnel
Country Number of Personnel Comments / Major Events
United States 697,000[1] Operation Desert Shield
Operation Desert Storm
Battle of Khafji
Battle of 73 Easting
Battle of Al Busayyah
Battle of Phase Line Bullet
Battle of Medina Ridge
Battle of Wadi Al-Batin
Battle of Norfolk
Saudi Arabia 60,000 – 100,000 Operation Desert Shield
Battle of Khafji
Operation Desert Storm
United Kingdom 53,462[2] Operation Granby
Egypt 20,000 Operation Desert Storm
France 18,000 Opération Daguet
Syria 14,500 Operation Desert Storm
Morocco 13,000 Security Personnel
Kuwait 9,900 Invasion of Kuwait
Operation Desert Storm
Oman 6,300 Operation Desert Storm
Pakistan 4,900 – 5,500 Backup team
Canada 4,600 Operation Friction
United Arab Emirates 4,300 Operation Desert Storm
Qatar 2,600 Battle of Khafji
Bangladesh 2,300[3] (Operation Moru-prantar) Security Personnel including 2 field Ambulance teams
Italy 1,200 Deployed 8 Panavia Tornado strike attack aircraft, Naval deployment
Australia 700 Australian contribution to the 1991 Gulf War
Netherlands 700 Naval deployment; Air Force deployments of Surface-to-Air Missiles to Turkey and Israel
Niger 600 Patroller group
Sweden 525[4] Field hospital
Argentina 500 Navy / Air Force
Senegal 500 Base Guards
Spain 500 on the field / 3,000 off the coast Engineers
Bahrain 400 Base Guards
Belgium 400 Base Engineers
Poland 319 Operation Simoom
Naval & medical deployment
South Korea 314 Medical & transportation support
Czechoslovakia 200 Operation Desert Shield
Operation Desert Storm
Czechoslovakia in the Gulf War
Greece 200 Pilots
Denmark 100 HDMS Olfert Fischer (Niels Juel Class Korvet)
New Zealand 100 2 C-130 Hercules transporter aircraft[5]
Hungary 50
Norway 280 Naval vessel & Field hospital + intelligence information

Yeah but lets also note that BOTH Gulf Wars where started by the US.. It's not like Saddam invaded US mainland and we had developed an alliance to take out Iraq in response. Also Gulf War 2 was incredibly unpopular in Europe and most of the voters in Europe where highly against their countries getting involved. But since we are going to go there then lets not forget how the French, Germans, Hungarians, and Poles stood shoulder to shoulder with the US during the Revolution. Last I checked without Frances aid the Revolution would have been a epic fail.

Also the US has a population of over 300 million.. Many European countries have a pop of less than 30 million, so you can't exactly expect them to field 200k troops to an invasion when their entire military don't even have those numbers.

[fecurtis]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye

I have travelled a lot, gone to college abroad, had a career in Europe and always seem to find my way back to Middle America. It is the best for me and my ideals (If the government would just stick to their original purpose and stop trying to be the world police and give handouts to every joe shmo that doesn't want to put forth a fair effort then it would be perfect for me)

Why would someone choose to live in Iowa?

Serious inquiry...

[Delta0311]

Originally Posted by fecurtis

Why would someone choose to live in Iowa?

Serious inquiry...

It's still probably better than NJ.

[KlausPA]

Originally Posted by Delta0311

It's still probably better than NJ.

Anything is better than NJ... Except NJ women, I love NJ women.

[KlausPA]

Originally Posted by UncleWede

When was the last time one of the "coalition forces" was LEAD by one of those counrties mentioned above? They come into the fold, kicking and screaming, AFTER several visits from the US Sec o' State.

That happens for reason... It is my POV that they are not as bellicose as the US so going to war is a big deal to them and to their people. We love to go to war. Example is how this thread has always gone back to US military power. Another reason is the fact that we don't really present our case in a very convincing way (Iraq 2.0 and Hussein's WMD).

[Delta0311]

Originally Posted by KlausPA

Anything is better than NJ... Except NJ women, I love NJ women.

You can keep them.. They are all great in the beginning but once the act wares out (much like a bmw warranty) shits starts to go down hill quickly.. They are awesome if you love women that have a princess syndrome and pretty much act like a 10 year old when they don't get their way.

[KlausPA]

Originally Posted by Delta0311

You can keep them.. They are all great in the beginning but once the act wares out (much like a bmw warranty) shits starts to go down hill quickly.. They are awesome if you love women that have a princess syndrome and pretty much act like a 10 year old when they don't get their way.

LMAO. My GF is from Egg Harbor Township.

[Delta0311]

Originally Posted by KlausPA

LMAO. My GF is from Egg Harbor Township.

oh that's Deep South NJ, it does not even count; like a totally different state.

[schoy]

Originally Posted by KlausPA

Can we get back on topic please?

USA the greatest country in the world... Why?

A lot of reasons have already been proffered throughout this thread. The burden is now to disprove the statement. The way to disprove a superlative statement (here: "greatest") with a fixed population (here: number of countries) is to provide a counterexample. So: if someone doesn't belive that the US is the greatest country in the world, he/she would need to propose and prove that another country is the greatest country in the world. Merely attacking the reasons why the US is the greatest country is insufficient.

[jgoens]

Originally Posted by KlausPA

Anything is better than NJ... Except NJ women, I love NJ women.

Which ones? The ones like Snooki or Jwow?