[SomaM550i]

Originally Posted by GoneIn4Secs

They are trying to list SUVs as M cars, these arent M cars

M550i isnt an M car

The X5 M competition isn't an M car...rightttttt

[SomaM550i]

Originally Posted by SomaM550i

The X5 M competition isn't an M car...rightttttt

Most of the M3/M5 car purest guys don't consider an M2 a proper M car either

[SomaM550i]

Originally Posted by Onesie

From your link:



"EXPERIENCE THE BMW M AUTOMOBILES."

-> M2-8,X3-6M

"More outstanding power."
-> M135i-Z4 M40i

I think you proved it yourself. An M550i is not an M automobile. Glad you agree now.

Here's the list that falls under the M category per BMW...take it up with them.

BMW M Automobiles: fuel consumption and CO2 emissions.

BMW M2 Competition:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 10.0 [9.2] (NEDC)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 227 [209] (NEDC)
The figures in brackets refer to the vehicle with seven-speed M double-clutch transmission with Drivelogic.


BMW M2 CS:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 10.4 [9.6] (NEDC)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 238 [219] (NEDC)
The figures in brackets refer to the vehicle with seven-speed M double-clutch transmission with Drivelogic.



BMW M3 Sedan:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 9.9-10.2 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 226-231 (WLTP)



BMW M3 Competition Sedan:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 9.6-9.8 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 219-224 (WLTP)



BMW M3 Competition Sedan with M xDrive:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 10.1-10.0 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 231-228 (WLTP)



BMW M4 Coupé:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 9.9-10.2 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 226-231 (WLTP)



BMW M4 Competition Coupé:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 9.6-9.8 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 219-224 (WLTP)



BMW M4 Competition Coupé with M xDrive:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 10.1-10.0 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 230-227 (WLTP)



BMW M4 Competition Convertible with M xDrive:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 10.2 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 233-231 (WLTP)


BMW M5:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 11.3 (NEDC) / 11.3-11.1 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 259 (NEDC) / 259-253 (WLTP)


BMW M5 Competition:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 11.3 (NEDC) / 11.3-11.1 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 259 (NEDC) / 259-253 (WLTP)


BMW M5 CS:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 11.3 (NEDC) / 11.3 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 258 (NEDC) / 256 (WLTP)


BMW M8 Coupé:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 11.2 (NEDC) / 11.4-11.2 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 258 (NEDC) / 260-257 (WLTP)


BMW M8 Competition Coupé:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 11.2 (NEDC) / 11.4-11.2 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 258 (NEDC) / 260-257 (WLTP)


BMW M8 Convertible:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 11.4 (NEDC) / 11.6-11.4 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 262 (NEDC) / 264-261 (WLTP)


BMW M8 Competition Convertible:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 11.4 (NEDC) / 11.6-11.4 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 262 (NEDC) / 264-261 (WLTP)


BMW M8 Gran Coupé:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 11.3 (NEDC) / 11.6-11.4 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 260 (NEDC) / 264-261 (WLTP)


BMW M8 Competition Gran Coupé:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 11.3 (NEDC) / 11.6-11.4 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 260 (NEDC) / 264-261 (WLTP)


BMW X3 M:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 11.0–10.6 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 251–241 (WLTP)

BMW X3 M Competition:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 11.0–10.6 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 251–241 (WLTP)

BMW X4 M:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 10.9–10.5 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 247–238 (WLTP)

BMW X4 M Competition:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 10.9–10.5 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 248–238 (WLTP)


BMW X5 M:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 13.3 (NEDC) / 13.6-13.3 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 303 (NEDC) / 308-303 (WLTP)


BMW X5 M Competition:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 13.3 (NEDC) / 13.6-13.3 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 303 (NEDC) / 308-303 (WLTP)


BMW X6 M:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 13.1 (NEDC) / 13.4-13.1 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 301 (NEDC) / 305-300 (WLTP)


BMW X6 M Competition:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 13.1 (NEDC) / 13.4-13.1 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 301 (NEDC) / 305-300 (WLTP)


BMW M135i xDrive:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 7.8-7.3 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 177-167 (WLTP)


BMW M235i xDrive Gran Coupé:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 6.7-6.3 (NEDC) / 7.8-7.1 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 154-145 (NEDC) / 177-162 (WLTP)


BMW M240i xDrive Coupé:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 8.8–8.1 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 200–185 (WLTP)


BMW M240i Convertible:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 7.5 (NEDC) / 8.8-8.7 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 173 (NEDC) / 202-199 (WLTP)


BMW M240i Convertible xDrive:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 8.2 (NEDC) / 9,1-9,0 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 187 (NEDC) / 209-206 (WLTP)


BMW M340i xDrive Sedan:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 7.0-6.6 (NEDC) / 8.2-7.5 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 161-152 (NEDC) / 188-172 (WLTP)


BMW M340d xDrive Sedan:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 5.6-5.3 (NEDC) / 6.5-5.9 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 147-139 (NEDC) / 171-155 (WLTP)


BMW M340i xDrive Touring:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 7.2-6.9 (NEDC) / 8.4-7.8 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 166-157 (NEDC) / 193-178 (WLTP)


BMW M340d xDrive Touring:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 5.7-5.4 (NEDC) / 6.7-6.1 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 150-141 (NEDC) / 177-160 (WLTP)

BMW M440i Coupé:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 8.1-7.4 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 184-167 (WLTP)


BMW M440i xDrive Coupé:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 7.1-6.8 (NEDC) / 8.2-7.5 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 163-155 (NEDC) / 186-170 (WLTP)


BMW M440i xDrive Convertible:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 7.4-6.9 (NEDC) / 8.4-7.8 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 169-159 (NEDC) / 192-177 (WLTP)

BMW M440d xDrive Convertible*:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 6.3 (NEDC)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 165 (NEDC)
*Predicted figures based on the WLTP test cycle.

BMW M440i xDrive Gran Coupé:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 8.5–8.0 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 194–181 (WLTP)



BMW i4 M50:
Electric power consumption in kWh/100 km (combined): 22.5–18.0 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 0 g
Electric Range in km: 416–521 (WLTP)



BMW M550i xDrive Sedan:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 10.1-9.9 (NEDC) / 11.0-10.3 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 233-227 (NEDC) / 250-235 (WLTP)


BMW M760Li xDrive:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 12.5-12.4 (NEDC)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 285-282 (NEDC)


BMW M850i xDrive Coupé:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 10.0-9.9 (NEDC) / 10.8-10.7 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 230-228 (NEDC) / 247-244 (WLTP)


BMW M850i xDrive Convertible:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 10.1-10.0 (NEDC) / 10.9-10.8 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 232-229 (NEDC) / 248-246 (WLTP)


BMW M850i xDrive Gran Coupé:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 10.2-10.1 (NEDC) / 11.0-10.9 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 234-232 (NEDC) / 252-248 (WLTP)


BMW X2 M35i:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 7.1-6.6 (NEDC) / 8.1-7.5 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 163-151 (NEDC) / 185-170 (WLTP)


BMW X3 M40i:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 9.5–8.7 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 217–199 (WLTP)

BMW X3 M40d:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 7.3–6.6 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 192–173 (WLTP)

BMW X4 M40i:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 9.5–8.7 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 216–198 (WLTP)


BMW X4 M40d:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 7.3–6.5 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 191–171 (WLTP)


BMW X5 M50i:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 10.9-10.5 (NEDC) / 12.3-11.5 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 251-242 (NEDC) / 281-263 (WLTP)


BMW X6 M50i:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 10.8-10.5 (NEDC) / 12.0-11.2 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 249-240 (NEDC) / 275-257 (WLTP)


BMW X7 M50i:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 11.2-11.0 (NEDC) / 12.8-12.3 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 258-252 (NEDC) / 292-280 (WLTP)


BMW Z4 M40i:
Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 7.2 (NEDC) / 8.0-7.9 (WLTP)
CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 164 (NEDC) / 182-181 (WLTP)

[GoneIn4Secs]

Originally Posted by SomaM550i

The X5 M competition isn't an M car...rightttttt

I missed the cup races where they go around racing suvs

M = motorsport

[GoneIn4Secs]

Originally Posted by SomaM550i

Most of the M3/M5 car purest guys don't consider an M2 a proper M car either

Ofc they do, those guys would prob fall under suv = m car category

[wtwo3]

This whole thread is proof why companies spend millions on marketing.

It never ceases to amaze me how impressionable people are to corporate marketing tricks.

I take the example of the m340i (which happens to be my daily driver). There is no 340i anymore. So the m340i isn't any higher on the totem pole than the 340i it replaced. BMW simply gave the 340i a tune, slapped an m in front of it, and now people are going ballistic debating its place within the "M" cars. Dynamically it's identical to the 330i. The M3 on the other hand is a totally different monster. Same story with the m550i. BMW replaced the outgoing 550i with an m550i. Yes it's got a more powerful motor, but it doesn't handle any better than the 540i, whereas the M5 is again a completely different monster.

Cars such as the m340i, m550i, etc are examples of BMW capitalizing on its brand power to increase interest on the outgoing 340i and 550i models by slapping m badges in front of their names. And don't come at me with "oh but the m340i has more power than the outgoing 340i". That's just natural progression between generations. The non m-sport g20 330i ALSO has more power/torque than the outgoing f30 330i.

[shachiku]

When I was shopping for 4-door coupes (panamera, 4door GT, and 8 series), I drove both the M8 and M850i, the only tangible difference I felt on the test drive with a bit of highway and street is that the M8 is considerably harsher even on "comfort"...

And the M8 dont' have the nice looking glass shifter (and no option for it)...

I think the Mx50i series are what Mercedes now called "AMG Tuned" 43/53s?

I mean I tried the 840i too, and right off the bat, the 850i was massively more "push" off the line than the 840i... but between the 850i and 8, I couldn't tell tbh...

tbh, BMW M companies build the car off the same assembly lines as normal BMW cars don't they? Last time I checked, the M5/M6 were build in Dingolfing Germany, same place where the 8 series are built.

[Killramos]

Very entertaining thread guys.

Thanks so much for the laughs.

[Moflow]

I feel like the answer is obvious right? BMW will tell you very clearly EXACTLY "what an M car is" after you've answered one simple question they'll have for you first: What are you interested in buying?

If the answer is something like an M340i or a M550i, BMW will tell you under no uncertain terms that they are full on M cars. However, if you're planning on buying an M3 or an M4 or something, they will be absolutely certain to let you know that those are in fact the only true M cars.

And why the hell not? Speaking out of both sides of your mouth is gonna sell cars. Oh, there's a logical disconnect here that's starting 18 page long flame wars on the internet amongst people who have already paid their sweet sweet money to the company?? Oh darn. Look, I'm sure they'll come over here and explain how two opposite things can both be true....just as soon as they're done counting all this cash.

[will0621]

Imagine if they used a lowercase ///m for the m performance models so we wouldn’t have these types of threads anymore

[TAZ007]

Originally Posted by will0621

Imagine if they used a lowercase ///m for the m performance models so we wouldn’t have these types of threads anymore

And what fun would that be.

[mmm50i]

I have the X5 M50i. Is it an M car? Of course not.

Does it confuse the hell out of people who don't about this stuff? YES.

My sis-in-law when she first saw the rear of my car, earlier this month: "oh wowww, you have the M one"...I just smiled and nodded lol

[Tyga11]

There's always something better. You can drive an M car and a Ferrari pulls up besides you and you're the small kid on the block. And then you're died in 30 years and no one remembers any of this crap.

[DanG]

I had an M235i. Lots of people called it an M2. I never bothered to correct them.

[DanG]

Originally Posted by Onesie

Because that helped your ego?

No. Just was not worth correcting them. Had an E46 M3 before the M235i and now own an M2.

[Tyga11]

Originally Posted by Onesie

Did telling us this help your ego?

Stop projecting

[DanG]

Originally Posted by Onesie

Did telling us this help your ego?

Boy are you way off. Just showing that I know what a real M car is.

[DenverSteve]

Originally Posted by DanG

I had an M235i. Lots of people called it an M2. I never bothered to correct them.

No reason to correct people who are incorrect (even slightly) regarding an insignificant matter. They were just showing you they were aware you had a BMW. Not knowing exactly which BMW you had was unimportant to the conversation.

[Tyga11]

Originally Posted by DenverSteve

No reason to correct people who are incorrect (even slightly) regarding an insignificant matter. They were just showing you they were aware you had a BMW. Not knowing exactly which BMW you had was unimportant to the conversation.

Yeah, agreed. 99% of the population can't distinguish the M models anyway so there's no point in correcting people.

[Gossypiboma]

You know what you have. Move on.

[TAZ007]

Originally Posted by Gossypiboma

You know what you have. Move on.

And so do the rest of us.

[3002 tii]

Why does this same question always get asked?

1. If it were the same, it would be listed under the M car lineup but it is NOT.
2. Who cares what others think? Just don’t go adding extra badges. Why? See #1.
3. Get the car you like and can reasonably afford.

For a non-track car I never felt the need to pay up for the extras power, forged rims, big brakes or limited slip. But I do prefer the looks of the M sport trim over standard which is why I usually opt for that package. And yes for track, having M car is great because I’d spend more trying to retrofit many of those go fast parts or find creative ways to stuff wide rubbers.