[DocWeatherington]

[gtron]

^ is it me or does it sound like they're trying to be nice? it's like they're saying a lot of bad things in a nice way.

[Mik3ymomo]

Originally Posted by David70

800 cars sold worldwide will do nothing to change their corporate mpg average (see 17 mpg GT350).

I think instead of building 800 "super" cars, that are far too expensive for most, will never be seen by most, and which if you don't want this car leaves you with nothing to buy from them (no lower level sports or even "sporty cars") will do little to change their overall image. A $100k simple, lightweight sports car (still a lot of money for an Acura) could have much higher production numbers and people that don't spend a lot of time reading magazines or on car forums (virtually everyone) would have a better chance to see them.

It's a proven method to get people into dealerships. That where the shark skin suit wearing sales people prove their worth...

Getting you in the door is the hardest part. Once they do they will try to sell you something you can afford.

No one is really making a special trip to the dealer to look at the new TSX that just came out.

[David70]

Originally Posted by Mik3ymomo

It's a proven method to get people into dealerships. That where the shark skin suit wearing sales people prove their worth...

Getting you in the door is the hardest part. Once they do they will try to sell you something you can afford.

No one is really making a special trip to the dealer to look at the new TSX that just came out.

With such a high price and such low production numbers there is a good chance that if you go to an Acura dealership on random trips you will never see one. My local dealership will get 1-2 sometime next year? probably sold before it gets there. Maybe the thought of them making them will help sell TLX's but I still think a lower priced higher volume car that I could actually see would do more.

My wife has a TSX, they don't make it anymore, I can't remember what all they sell either.

[Blksnowflake]

As soon as they finish talking I will ask the sales man where can I find a mint condition last gen NSX. Still prefer that one.

[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by David70

With such a high price and such low production numbers there is a good chance that if you go to an Acura dealership on random trips you will never see one. My local dealership will get 1-2 sometime next year? probably sold before it gets there. Maybe the thought of them making them will help sell TLX's but I still think a lower priced higher volume car that I could actually see would do more.

My wife has a TSX, they don't make it anymore, I can't remember what all they sell either.

Like my nearest BMW dealer who had a plastic i8 with no interior on the showroom floor for a year.

[djDori_C]

Originally Posted by FriskyDingo

Just can't bring myself to like this car. It's kinda like a 918-lite, but doesn't seem to rate real high on the fun-to-drive scale.

+1

[wdb]

They'll sell every one they make, if they haven't already done so.

10 years from now they'll be highly sought after, and everything on the car will still work like new.

[David70]

Originally Posted by wdb

They'll sell every one they make, if they haven't already done so.

10 years from now they'll be highly sought after, and everything on the car will still work like new.

I think they are planning to build about 800 vehicles per year (worldwide) and has there ever been a car they didn't sell all they made?

[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by David70

I think they are planning to build about 800 vehicles per year (worldwide) and has there ever been a car they didn't sell all they made?

The first NSX, they had inventory for years after production ended. The FD RX7 sat on lots too. Amazingly the S54 M Coupes were on lots over a year after production ended. I think they ended up crushing Saabs after huge incentives didn't move them when they folded.

[Nitrousbird]

The whole thing doesn't make sense to me.

Honda has probably the easiest time of any manufacturer selling in the US of hitting CAFE standards, due to a large number of vehicles sold, many being gas sipping 4 bangers and Hybrids. Taking a hit on the standard with a low production (hell even a high production) sports car is not an issue whatsoever for them.

So why do this heavy and complicated drive train that just increased the cost of the car while obviously making sure that cars half its price outperform it?

Honda has developed V8, V10 and V12 motors for racing. They know how to do it...try it for a street car for once. Hell, slap a turbo or two on there for good measure. Do a sub 100k N/A lightweight beast. Or do a twin turbo 800+ HP monster that will shut everyone up.

This NSX is exactly what was expected by all of their detractors - heavy, overly complicated and slower than the competition.

[ptack]

Unless the new CEO decides to change course and more aggressively support high performance vehicles, Honda seems only mildly interested. The NSX is way more than a day late and a dollar short, but it could evolve if Honda wants to really compete. It's like their Formula 1 effort - a weak start that could either be built into something significant, or will be abandoned as being too expensive and not aligning with their self image of being green and family friendly.

[Red Bread]

I don't think this was the right approach, but isn't this just a better i8? BMW and Honda both suck at F1 recently and can't seem to make sports cars.

[Beedub]

so so so much potential, so far off the mark !! Give me the old Gen NSX - R ALL day long.

[AW335TT]

Originally Posted by Red Bread

I don't think this was the right approach, but isn't this just a better i8? BMW and Honda both suck at F1 recently and can't seem to make sports cars.

BMW is in F1?

[AW335TT]

Originally Posted by BlackJetE90

What happened to the guy that was going on and on how amazing this car was going to be? I think his name was Levi. He was the RC-F leg humper as well.

He changed his username to BMW269 but I don't see him posting

[imserious]

The first NSX was chasing Ferrari and came up with such a beautiful driving machine. This next NSX is still chasing super cars, but now all the supercars have gone hybrid.

I don't think Honda was ever a leader in this respect. Unfortunately they chose to copy the la Ferrari, 918 and so on. If Honda had their act together and got this car done earlier, we could have avoided all this hybrid nonsense. If they started with a v8 or v10 mid engine car, they wouldn't have had to start over due to enthusiast outcry. Who were they copying then? The LFA?

Too bad. This NSX is really nothing special given everything else out there. The next GTR will be the better "video game" and destroy this car.

[b0bab0i]

Originally Posted by David70

800 cars sold worldwide will do nothing to change their corporate mpg average (see 17 mpg GT350).

I think instead of building 800 "super" cars, that are far too expensive for most, will never be seen by most, and which if you don't want this car leaves you with nothing to buy from them (no lower level sports or even "sporty cars") will do little to change their overall image. A $100k simple, lightweight sports car (still a lot of money for an Acura) could have much higher production numbers and people that don't spend a lot of time reading magazines or on car forums (virtually everyone) would have a better chance to see them.

+1
If they are only releasing 800 models, they will fall into the same problem as the LFA.

http://jalopnik.com/here-s-why-the-l...l-t-1651833560

[DocWeatherington]

Originally Posted by b0bab0i

+1
If they are only releasing 800 models, they will fall into the same problem as the LFA.

http://jalopnik.com/here-s-why-the-l...l-t-1651833560

its a waste, a repeat of the LFA

[AW335TT]

Originally Posted by imserious

The first NSX was chasing Ferrari and came up with such a beautiful driving machine. This next NSX is still chasing super cars, but now all the supercars have gone hybrid.

I don't think Honda was ever a leader in this respect. Unfortunately they chose to copy the la Ferrari, 918 and so on. If Honda had their act together and got this car done earlier, we could have avoided all this hybrid nonsense. If they started with a v8 or v10 mid engine car, they wouldn't have had to start over due to enthusiast outcry. Who were they copying then? The LFA?

Too bad. This NSX is really nothing special given everything else out there. The next GTR will be the better "video game" and destroy this car.

No super cars are hybrids. LaFerrari, 918 and P1 are hyper cars. They shouldn't even be in the same sentence as the NSX.

488, F12, Huracan, 650s, Avendator, Huayra, etc, aren't hybrids.

Personally, if I already had the cars I really wanted, I'd get the NSX for its looks, I think it looks amazing in person.

[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by AW335TT

BMW is in F1?

I did say recently. BMW was awful the most recent go around. Just as Honda has been.

[jkrig]

Originally Posted by AW335TT

No super cars are hybrids. LaFerrari, 918 and P1 are hyper cars. They shouldn't even be in the same sentence as the NSX.

488, F12, Huracan, 650s, Avendator, Huayra, etc, aren't hybrids.

Personally, if I already had the cars I really wanted, I'd get the NSX for its looks, I think it looks amazing in person.

I tend to agree...it offers something different at this price point.......yes theres the i8 but for the i8 to put up any respectable numbers once turns are added to the equation you would need a wheel/tire package at the very least and would still be left wanting against the NSX.....better tires, better tranny logic (especially with the drive modes) and its a winner....I'm willing to bet it will perform better than the sum of its parts, similar to the GTR, I think some eyes will be opened once the rags start compiling of the performance #'s on this car....