[SaMaster14]

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[DocWeatherington]

Originally Posted by BlackJetE90

Chris Harris Twitter:

I wonder what that means...

Good old Chris Harris

[Z K]

Originally Posted by NickyC

NSX has always been a joke. That car was so overrated back in the 90s. Supra TT was the king back then, hell I would have rather had an FD back then. Loved seeing the looks on the faces on NSX owners after I put BUS lengths on them in my BPU Supra (even before I went single, lol).

NSX is a joke. $200k for that? Hah

Supra TT? Please. The only thing that car is good for is accelerating in a straight line. It's the muscle car of the Japanese sports cars. Try taking a big single turbo Supra around a road course, with all the lag you won't even be able to hit boost before you need to take a corner. The car is big, sloppy and soft where it needs to be sharp and agile.

[ShocknAwe]

Would have been much better if they had priced the NSX in the 80-100k USD range instead.

Originally Posted by whats77inaname

Oh HELL NO. I'm a Honda/Acura guy, as I've owned 7 Hondas/Acuras in my time, and I have to say that when they stopped producing the 3rd Gen TL Type S in 2008, they officially went full bean counter mode and stopped making cars for enthusiasts. No way I'd pay that kind of $ for that car b/c as you said, there are a plethora of cars that I would rather own; for the price of that one, I could have 2 or 3 on my list!

Rumor has it there will be a new Integra in the next few years. We'll see.

I saw a leak on the new Integra/RS-X. It's HUGE. Oh, and it had 4 doors and a fuck ton of dead cat space under the arches.

[ShocknAwe]

Originally Posted by SaMaster14

I honestly also think the old NSX looks better than this new one. The new one doesn't strike me as a Supercar... And it definitely doesn't look as expensive as it is...

I really agree. Have a buddy with an old NSX and it's gorgeous, especially with all the CF bits.

[FriskyDingo]

Originally Posted by Z K

Supra TT? Please. The only thing that car is good for is accelerating in a straight line. It's the muscle car of the Japanese sports cars. Try taking a big single turbo Supra around a road course, with all the lag you won't even be able to hit boost before you need to take a corner. The car is big, sloppy and soft where it needs to be sharp and agile.

That's not even remotely what reviews of the car when it was new said.

[whats77inaname]

Originally Posted by Z K

Supra TT? Please. The only thing that car is good for is accelerating in a straight line. It's the muscle car of the Japanese sports cars. Try taking a big single turbo Supra around a road course, with all the lag you won't even be able to hit boost before you need to take a corner. The car is big, sloppy and soft where it needs to be sharp and agile.

Assuming it's a single, one would also have to concede that the suspension sloppiness was addressed, as well. Seems they're hitting boost just fine, too Now, I'm not saying that the Supra is ideal for this type of action, but just like any car, it is more than capable if set up correctly.

[ShocknAwe]

Nevermind, you can absolutely drive a big turbo car around a circuit.

Example: F40 had tremendous turbo lag, but it did perfectly fine.

That comment was preponderously stupid.

[Z K]

Originally Posted by FriskyDingo

That's not even remotely what reviews of the car when it was new said.

Yes, back in 1992 when the car was launched it was considered ok in stock form sure... but that was also back when cars had "low profile" 50 series tires stock and it was a big deal if you had "alloy" wheels.

I was a part of Norcal Supras back in the late 90s. Supras were big then and you could still purchase them brand new. They were a joke on track and you'd see people flying them into walls and blasting down the straights only to get passed by Miatas on the corners.

Here's a video of the stock cars going around the track. The Supra came in last place. In terms of lap time it comes in at best mid pack with the WRX and Evo beating it cleanly. Top lap time? NSX.

[Z K]

Originally Posted by ShocknAwe

Nevermind, you can absolutely drive a big turbo car around a circuit.

Example: F40 had tremendous turbo lag, but it did perfectly fine.

That comment was preponderously stupid.

I'm not saying it can't go around a track. I've done it before. But as I said, it isn't a great car around the track. It's more like you trying to keep the car facing the right direction when the boost hit. Fighting the car to keep it going - it's not fun. Much better options out there if track is your thing. I'll take an Evo any day over the Supra.

[FriskyDingo]

Yeah, I'm not going to put much stock in the results of a bunch of cars driven by a bunch of different drivers on a track that puts the Supra at a clear disadvantage.

It's certainly not a dedicated track car, but for it's time, it was more than capable and was praised for it's overall driving dynamics.

[Ali Shiralian]

Originally Posted by Red Bread

Conveniently left out the Miata, a recipe the Germans can't seem to sort out.

The best roadster ever

[Ali Shiralian]

Originally Posted by DocWeatherington

The Miata is a bred of its own... The Miata is greatness in its own

Due to its simplicity and no want for massive improvements in performance and price from generation to generation...

I think the Germans have figured it out, and I think they probably could build a better Miata... but that would result in weight, cost, z complexity of it being German.

Its the same reason why GM or Ford haven't and probably won't build a Miata competitor

Oh GM tried, remember Pontiac Solstice? It was supposed to be a Miata competitor but as it was introduced, they got rid of Pontiac altogether lol

Miata itself was copied after lotus Elan, but Mazda built it even better and more reliable.

[ShocknAwe]

Originally Posted by Z K

I'm not saying it can't go around a track. I've done it before. But as I said, it isn't a great car around the track. It's more like you trying to keep the car facing the right direction when the boost hit. Fighting the car to keep it going - it's not fun. Much better options out there if track is your thing. I'll take an Evo any day over the Supra.

Fair enough.

[Sephiroth]

I think for Honda the NSX had to be better than the GTR, and they got carried away, and now they are at a price point that is nonsensical for them.

[RM7]

DOA, like the new STI and should-be-at-least-300lbs-lighter M2.

[FriskyDingo]

The Kappa cars (Pontiac Solstice and Saturn Sky) were absolutely abysmal cars. They didn't get a thing on those cars right, aside from arguably the styling.

That said, I've never understood all the fuss over the Miata. I haven't driven the new one, but I've driven the prior cars. To me, they all feel mushy and labored. Not an exciting car to drive in the slightest, imo.

[FriskyDingo]

Double post.

[See5]

Originally Posted by FriskyDingo

The Kappa cars (Pontiac Solstice and Saturn Sky) were absolutely abysmal cars. They didn't get a thing on those cars right, aside from arguably the styling.

That said, I've never understood all the fuss over the Miata. I haven't driven the new one, but I've driven the prior cars. To me, they all feel mushy and labored. Not an exciting car to drive in the slightest, imo.

Not entirely true. While they were cobbled together from various vehicles under a limited budget, they happen to be very good auto-X and road racing vehicles.

[paliknight]

Didn't Lexus sell the LFA for over 300k?

[Jai 302]

Originally Posted by paliknight

Didn't Lexus sell the LFA for over 300k?

The LFA had one of the best sounding, most responsive and unique engines on the market, with styling to match.

The NSX has a 3.5L V6. V6's (with or without turbos) can be found in millions of cars all over the world. There's nothing special about a V6 at all.

Comparing the two is literally like comparing a 458 to a Z06 (Brand value notwithstanding). The NSX should have been priced against cars like the GTR or Viper ACR IMO, not in Ferrari/McLaren/Lambo territory.

[Fundguy1]

1. At least they fixed the utter failure of the I8 and gave it some balls.
2. For half the price you could get a z06, gt350r, or hellcat and kick it's ass if you see it at 30 mph, or just plain kick it's ass with a gtr. Fail.