[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by MightyMouseTech

I honestly don't think it will ever happen here. All self driving cars need to be able to see the road to work. Any area with heavy snow, and self driving cars can not work. Most of our cars at Acura now have a lot of features that will be required on self driving cars, like Lane Keep Assist, automatic braking etc etc etc. These features do not work when there is snow on the road, or snow build up on the windshield blocking the cameras.

None of those things are completely impossible to resolve with more technology and innovation. In time self driving cars - or indeed any autonomous machine - will be more capable, more precise, stronger/faster/smarter, more reliable, than humans.

[Sassicaia]

I don't think it will. Self driving cars are for peopl who can't or don't like to drive. M cars are for people who love to drive. Unless it becomes Illegal to drive your own car there will always be briber enthusiast that will support the drivers car.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by Sassicaia

I don't think it will. Self driving cars are for peopl who can't or don't like to drive. M cars are for people who love to drive. Unless it becomes Illegal to drive your own car there will always be briber enthusiast that will support the drivers car.

Will manual transmissions disappear if and only if it becomes illegal to drive a car with a manual transmission?

[Sassicaia]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

Will manual transmissions disappear if and only if it becomes illegal to drive a car with a manual transmission?

Manuals are certainly less available then before but certainly still available for the enthusiasts. Isn't Prosche going to back to release a manual?

A driving enthusiast can still be a driving enthusiast with DCT IMO.

It's an interest question, but to be honest I'm 38 so givin I will never be forced to drive a self driving car I really don't care.

[Bbb34]

Originally Posted by Sassicaia

Manuals are certainly less available then before but certainly still available for the enthusiasts. Isn't Prosche going to back to release a manual?

...... I will never be forced to drive a self driving car I really don't care.

I'm with you on both, manuals and self driving cars, however, my guess is that more than 70% of people don't care for either.

As I said, earlier, lots to discuss before this is reality. Who owns/controls/is certified to sell us sensors, cameras, maps and navigation, how secure from hacking these are. It's a work in progress, but I can see car being a product that will enable various companies to sell software "services", security, "better" maps, bad weather package, parking passes... you name it. I can totally see "subscription fees" for almost everything in addition to cost of car and maintenance

And then soon to follow, we all take a daily "nutrition pill", and a "beer/wine pill" with it then go make love to "almost life like" robot, and claim it's just "better for us" as it eliminates all potential downsides of humans perhaps overcooking or eating unhealthy meal, having too much alcohol, or maybe not performing well with real partner

[fecurtis]

No I don't think so, not any time soon at least.

Self driving cars have a longgggg way to go before they're viable. They have a lot of trouble handling rain and wet conditions, as well as how to handle potholes.

It would be nice though, since with self driving cars, theoretically I-66 would never be congested, such a site would blow my damn mind.

[MightyMouseTech]

Don't get me wrong, I am ALL for them. Then the idiots that can't/don't know how to drive can just sit back and let the car do it and not block the left lane at 20 under the limit. It will keep them out of the way of people who WANT to drive.

I just don't see how it is possible in our climate. Cali sure, but not here.

[CanadianGatorBacon]

even if you have this:


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[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by Sassicaia

Manuals are certainly less available then before but certainly still available for the enthusiasts.

But if they do disappear, it isn't going to be because they are outlawed.

It is going to be because not enough of the people who are buying cars want one anymore. The same can, and probably will, happen with non-autonomous cars.

That being said, I do think that there will be room in the marketplace for high performance autonomous cars along with more pedestrian autonomous cars just as there are both types of non-autonomous cars today. Perhaps this possibility will allow for the M brand and similar brands to live on past the end of this century.

A driving enthusiast can still be a driving enthusiast with DCT IMO.

Agree. Similarly, I suspect that automotive enthusiasts in general will still find ways of being automotive enthusiasts even without having to actually pilot their vehicles.

[Bad Robot]

Originally Posted by 1MOREMOD

And it was like 20 seconds slower than pro driver.

Um, actually... it was a 2015 RS7 at the 2.5-mile Ascari track in Spain.

Robot: 2:15.9. Admittedly stupid human: 2:15.7.

That's only a two-tenths advantage to stupid human over robot.

They're heeeerrrrrre...

[Bad Robot]

Originally Posted by 1MOREMOD

And it was like 20 seconds slower than pro driver.

I think the other link was wrong. Try this one for the Audi RS7 almost beating stupid human:

[Viffermike]

I've posted about this issue previously: I don't think it will happen anytime soon (i.e., 15-20 years) because with an autonomous vehicle, culpability for a mishap -- and they will happen -- will fall not on the operator or the passenger, but on the manufacturer or the system operating the vehicle. Squarely, unequivocally, and litigiously. It will completely change the fabric of not only the auto industry, but the insurance industry as well.

My argument? Warfare. Drones, cruise missiles, and the like all miss sooner or later. Who's culpable? The government operating the pilotless machinery -- not the operator, not the conditions, not the circumstances.

Besides: with autonomous vehicles sharing roads with conventionally operated ones, there will be a segment of the latter who will try, intentionally or not, to cause havoc among the former. Think motorcycle hooliganism, or the odd teen-ager roaring down a residential street in a Z28, or the illegal (and uninsured) driving at or below the speed limit in a 20-year-old Corolla with a rusty undercarriage and bent rim but who thinks he has to drive that car the same way he drives it in, say, Bogota, or Mexico City, or Tegucigalpa.

The technology's great. But, like all game-changing technologies, it won't be adopted overnight. It will be adopted slowly ... and probably not completely for decades.

[M3Bimmer77]

Self driving will kill human driving but not M cars. Could there be a self driven M car?

[Sassicaia]

Id own a self driving car as a second car IF you were allowed to drink in the car while it was driving itself. Would be the perfect night out mobile. I wouldnt have to wait for cabs, or sit in their filth back seats. A self driving luxury sedan.

Best would be if it could drop you off at the restaurant then find itself a parking spot.

[CanadianGatorBacon]

Originally Posted by M3Bimmer77

Self driving will kill human driving but not M cars. Could there be a self driven M car?

Will there be a self-driving Porsche, Ferrari, Lambo, Aston, etc.? If people are willing to pay for it, it will happen. But, what it will mean to have a self-driving M car is interesting. Stiffer suspension? Sport styling (in and out) and features (think seats and screens)? Probably. But what about the engine. They'll likely give you an engine with 500ish hp and lbft. You just won't get any benefit out of it until you take it to your local self-driving track or drag strip. What you will certainly get is ///M power ASD, so even when you aren't going fast, at least it will sound like you are.

[1MOREMOD]

Originally Posted by Bad Robot

Um, actually... it was a 2015 RS7 at the 2.5-mile Ascari track in Spain.

Robot: 2:15.9. Admittedly stupid human: 2:15.7.

That's only a two-tenths advantage to stupid human over robot.

They're heeeerrrrrre...

The one I saw was in car mag and pro whipped it's ass.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by CanadianGatorBacon

Will there be a self-driving Porsche, Ferrari, Lambo, Aston, etc.? If people are willing to pay for it, it will happen. But, what it will mean to have a self-driving M car is interesting. Stiffer suspension? Sport styling (in and out) and features (think seats and screens)? Probably. But what about the engine. They'll likely give you an engine with 500ish hp and lbft. You just won't get any benefit out of it until you take it to your local self-driving track or drag strip. What you will certainly get is ///M power ASD, so even when you aren't going fast, at least it will sound like you are.

I'm sorry, but I just have to laugh at this. What exactly is the point of owning an autonomous Ferrari et.al.? The point of these machines is the interaction with the driver. No one, regardless of how wealthy are not going to buy an exotic autonomous automobile.

[RABAUKE]

I saw a piece on a Toronto news show a few weeks back, it's already legal in Ontario and they had this guy and his Tesla driving on the Don Valley Parkway and 401, no hands on the wheel car making lane changes. It is perfectly legal, as long as a licensed driver is behind the wheel and it's happening now. Frankly I have no interest in this, I like driving and I don't see me ever doing this...but those millenials are a different story.

[Schulz]

Self-drive cars are the perfect solution for those who don't know how to drive e.g. my wife can't drive though she's tried to learn. She would love to be independent by owning a self-drive car. But for those who love driving, it's not so great.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

No one, regardless of how wealthy are [not] going to buy an exotic autonomous automobile.

That's a prediction that I think you will find it difficult to get a lot of support for.

When you already have individuals at all income levels whose motivation for owning desirable vehicles includes to be seen in or to advertise social status, it is unlikely that taking away the driving component will curb the enthusiasm of this type of buyer.

Not only that, but there will always be higher end features that automakers can market toward wealthy buyers. Even if it means focusing more on luxurious appointments or higher end electronics, there is always going to be something for the customer willing to spare no expense.

Ask yourself if it is genuinely reasonable to believe that - even if non-autonomous driving were to become illegal some day - a company like Ferrari is simply going to throw in the towel and say "That's it - we're out!". Not a chance.

[RoundelObsession]

Autonomous automobiles are a terrible idea. These things will be used to control your movements and under the guise of environmental issues (think carbon taxes) will be used to tax you per mile. Another ramification of these things is that if you are considered by the government (for any reason) not eligible to drive, you will be restricted from driving. I think this is one of the worst things possible for a free society.

[anglocanadian]

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