[Mosaud1998]

Originally Posted by TiMSport

Well if you end up accepting the offer you may very well find out!

Might have to fight him

[4Hockey4]

I sold Jeeps for 2 years after coming out of High School, along with some construction work, literally what got me off my ass and paid my way through college...working.

Long hours, weekends, and TONS of down time...folks sitting around smoking and drinking coffee.

I made $40K my first year in 1988. $45K the next year. To be fair, I went to school FT, waited tables FT, and make about the same waiting...yes in 1990. But gave me all the nights and flexibility to pull off.

[TiMSport]

Originally Posted by Mosaud1998

Might have to fight him

Yeah tell him there's a new sheriff in town.

[Mosaud1998]

Originally Posted by TiMSport

Yeah tell him there's a new sheriff in town.

I'll probably be the youngest sales guy there

[Mosaud1998]

Originally Posted by 4Hockey4

I sold Jeeps for 2 years after coming out of High School, along with some construction work, literally what got me off my ass and paid my way through college...working.

Long hours, weekends, and TONS of down time...folks sitting around smoking and drinking coffee.

I made $40K my first year in 1988. $45K the next year. To be fair, I went to school FT, waited tables FT, and make about the same waiting...yes in 1990. But gave me all the nights and flexibility to pull off.

Screw it, I have an interview with the GSM next week. I'll go and see how I like it

[TiMSport]

Originally Posted by Mosaud1998

I'll probably be the youngest sales guy there

Read my signature

[Mosaud1998]

Originally Posted by TiMSport

Read my signature

Might f around and drive a Toyota home

SIKE Toyotas are boring

[ShopVac]

Originally Posted by TiMSport

Am I the only one finding it hard to believe that people are making up to $200k selling Toyotas?.

Totally agree - and would be willing to bet that if you do make $200K, you just worked all 6 open days during the week and 10 to 14 hours each of those days.
With that, I'd bet that number would be one (and for reference - that's their one) top guy on a good year. Pandemic time is not a good time.

OP, my thoughts - you take this job, they'll expect full commitment from you. That's at least 5 days of the week (consider it 6 if the customer you sold to wants their car on your scheduled day off). And you will be working 10 to 12 hours of those days your scheduled. You will not have time to commit to school. My opinion...FWIW.

[turboawd]

Do you enjoy selling cars? Some people can make bank. But it is kinda a dead end career job. But nothing wrong with doing it now that you're young.

[Mosaud1998]

Originally Posted by turboawd

Do you enjoy selling cars? Some people can make bank. But it is kinda a dead end career job. But nothing wrong with doing it now that you're young.

I mean, I don't mind it.

But it's a competitive field and sometimes I don't feel super competitive

[Sara]

Take the job and finish school. Your education will never fire you.

[ASAP]

I'm going to give you an alternative perspective (not my own experience) and you probably should not take advice from me lol...

But... College Education is more expensive than ever and has a lower ROI than ever in history... don't know what you are studying but your starting salary will be low and it will take you 4 years to get there (i.e. foregoing 4 years of work and $$ saved).

Alternatively, you could work for the dealer (prob won't make $200k, they are feeding you nonsense but let's say you make $100K)... 4 years in a row that's $400K made vs going to school and spending money.

The question is, what do you really want to do long term? How much will you make out the gate? Is this something you want to do long term? That whole college is a must adage is so outdated I don't even know where to start. I have a degree and work within its confines (and make good money) but I don't really like my job per say... Could I have went to a trade and made similar money? Maybe...

Point is decide what you want to do and make sure the proper opportunities present themselves and that whatever you do will be where you want to see yourself in the future.

Again, don't take advice from a forum.

[TiMSport]

Originally Posted by ASAP

I'm going to give you an alternative perspective (not my own experience) and you probably should not take advice from me lol...

But... College Education is more expensive than ever and has a lower ROI than ever in history... don't know what you are studying but your starting salary will be low and it will take you 4 years to get there (i.e. foregoing 4 years of work and $$ saved).

Alternatively, you could work for the dealer (prob won't make $200k, they are feeding you nonsense but let's say you make $100K)... 4 years in a row that's $400K made vs going to school and spending money.

The question is, what do you really want to do long term? How much will you make out the gate? Is this something you want to do long term? That whole college is a must adage is so outdated I don't even know where to start. I have a degree and work within its confines (and make good money) but I don't really like my job per say... Could I have went to a trade and made similar money? Maybe...

Point is decide what you want to do and make sure the proper opportunities present themselves and that whatever you do will be where you want to see yourself in the future.

Again, don't take advice from a forum.

OP said:

Originally Posted by Mosaud1998

I mean, I don't mind it.

But it's a competitive field and sometimes I don't feel super competitive

That says everything right there. I don't think his life ambition is to sell cars. I'm pretty sure he wants to make some $$ if he can squeeze it into his schedule but it sounds like the dealership only offers FT positions. As such, it's one or the other unless I'm missing something here. BTW, I doubt it will be easy to make even $100k, especially selling Toyotas. Working for Porsche? Maybe. There would be a lot more people becoming car salesmen if it were that easy to make that kind of money IMO.

But ultimately you are correct in that he probably shouldn't take advice from people like us, strangers on a forum

[Mosaud1998]

Originally Posted by ASAP

I'm going to give you an alternative perspective (not my own experience) and you probably should not take advice from me lol...

But... College Education is more expensive than ever and has a lower ROI than ever in history... don't know what you are studying but your starting salary will be low and it will take you 4 years to get there (i.e. foregoing 4 years of work and $$ saved).

Alternatively, you could work for the dealer (prob won't make $200k, they are feeding you nonsense but let's say you make $100K)... 4 years in a row that's $400K made vs going to school and spending money.

The question is, what do you really want to do long term? How much will you make out the gate? Is this something you want to do long term? That whole college is a must adage is so outdated I don't even know where to start. I have a degree and work within its confines (and make good money) but I don't really like my job per say... Could I have went to a trade and made similar money? Maybe...

Point is decide what you want to do and make sure the proper opportunities present themselves and that whatever you do will be where you want to see yourself in the future.

Again, don't take advice from a forum.

F school yay

Jp, I think I'll take the job opportunity for the summer. With my degree, I can do a lot.

Jobs I can get with my degree:

I can make anywhere from $60k-$172k.

I agree college being the only way to succeed is old school. But, it doesn't help when you have an older sister that's been in college for 9 years. She's getting her Ph.D. in I forgot wth she's getting it in

My point is, if someone stays at one facility or industry for 5+ years they'll most likely be promoted to a higher position and most likely making more than a kid that's been in college for 9 years.

For example, if I stay at the Toyota dealership for 5+ years and sell a good amount of cars, I can be promoted to a General Manager position or a Finance Manager position making $90k+ a year while my sister is still in school.

One of my friends I worked with at the Kia dealership got promoted to the General Sales Manager position. He's 23 making $90k+ a year. Just brought a house and has two cars. One is a 2021 Kia Telluride and a 2021 Mazda CX-5 (dealer demo that managers get). Imagine being 23 making more than an average college graduate

[4Hockey4]

College Education is more expensive than ever and has a lower ROI than ever in history.

Umm kinda. Folks are spending more on school and getting less in return, true. (although shit we pay that off, so might be free)

My son had got into RPI Engineering school and VA tech Engineering...he's just now finishing up his 2 yr CS/IT degree at community. He had H.S. 4.25, 1300 SAT blah blah...even did a year of prep in Connecticut. Cost for 2 yr degree ? $11.5K TOTAL.

He'll transfer to a really solid public school and after rent, tuition, food etc...$75K out of pocket TOTAL for all 4 years. Chuck of change sure, but his degree will bring around 80K to start, six figures in a few years. Post 40 yo ? duck. Its really not that hard, I did it with a 2.1 H.S. GPA....on my own.

Sure if you go to a liberal arts school and spend 60K/year on non business/computer/engineering fields...I'd 100% agree with you. I've opened my mind plenty to all that life and history has to offer since then, debt free.

We are in the age of entitlement, get your degree, become a better person...study poetry and psychology after you get out.

(oh and I was a barely graduated HS, lived on the streets at 16, making $45K in 1989....even my dumb ass realized who would be laughing last...chuckles... after just driving a 4Runner last week off guy who has it all)

I wouldn't listen to forum advice either, you do you. Cheers

[TiMSport]

GPAs are way overrated, lol. Seriously though. It doesn't mean shit IMO, especially in high school. I saw people that were allegedly smart in HS with their 4.0 and multiple extracurricular activities, class president and all that just to see them burn out in their first year of university.

[4Hockey4]

Originally Posted by TiMSport

GPAs are way overrated, lol. Seriously though. It doesn't mean shit IMO, especially in high school. I saw people that were allegedly smart in HS with their 4.0 and multiple extracurricular activities, class president and all that just to see them burn out in their first year of university.

Wife worked for a college/scholarship company, there was a min sure, but SAT/ACT first (great equalizer) outside activities 2nd, strength of schedule/GPA 3rd.

Don't mean shit ? You now most colleges are all done by computers, at Ivy league unless you have 3.5, you don't ever see a human. decent public schools have them too....

Penn State NEVER reviews a 2.5 GPA unless you know, its a "friend"

So while I agree there is huge swings in what a GPA may mean, its still an important factor into getting into "mid-upper" college. I had a 2.1 H.S. GPA, not sure anyone would guess that now lol

[TiMSport]

Originally Posted by 4Hockey4

Wife worked for a college/scholarship company, there was a min sure, but SAT/ACT first (great equalizer) outside activities 2nd, strength of schedule/GPA 3rd.

Don't mean shit ? You now most colleges are all done by computers, at Ivy league unless you have 3.5, you don't ever see a human. decent public schools have them too....

Penn State NEVER reviews a 2.5 GPA unless you know, its a "friend"

So while I agree there is huge swings in what a GPA may mean, its still an important factor into getting into "mid-upper" college. I had a 2.1 H.S. GPA, not sure anyone would guess that now lol

Yes, perhaps I should have elaborated but I fully understand your point. I read your 2.1 GPA in HS so it inspired me to respond
What I really meant is that people that strive to get high GPAs and maybe even get into a good school won't necessarily succeed. My main thought was for those that skated by, including myself, got into a decent enough university (not Ivy League) and excelled in said university, and have a decent paying job and maybe more importantly, like what they're doing. The focus always seems to be money, which obviously is important. However, if you don't like what you're doing, is it worth it?

[Mosaud1998]

Originally Posted by TiMSport

Yes, perhaps I should have elaborated but I fully understand your point. I read your 2.1 GPA in HS so it inspired me to respond
What I really meant is that people that strive to get high GPAs and maybe even get into a good school won't necessarily succeed. My main thought was for those that skated by, including myself, got into a decent enough university (not Ivy League) and excelled in said university, and have a decent paying job and maybe more importantly, like what they're doing. The focus always seems to be money, which obviously is important. However, if you don't like what you're doing, is it worth it?

The focus always seems to be money, which obviously is important. However, if you don't like what you're doing, is it worth it?

BOOM END OF DISCUSSION.

[Mintsopoulos]

Take the job, get the experience, and continue school. You never really know where a path might lead but dont rule out any options either.

and Schaumburg toyota?! Im right in St. Charles. That is a big ass dealer...most of those dealers in Schaumburg area are massive.

[Mosaud1998]

Originally Posted by Mintsopoulos

Take the job, get the experience, and continue school. You never really know where a path might lead but dont rule out any options either.

and Schaumburg toyota?! Im right in St. Charles. That is a big ass dealer...most of those dealers in Schaumburg area are massive.

Yup, Schaumburg Toyota on golf road right in front of the Mercedes dealership.

That is a big ass dealer

That's the thing I am afraid of. Big dealerships don't train employees well. They just toss them out and expect them to start selling. I only sold cars for 6 months. Majority of the time I was in BDC. Basically, the guy that responds to customers' emails and inquiries.

[sygazelle]

Originally Posted by Mosaud1998

I've been looking for jobs since last week. I sent my resume off indeed to some dealerships (I've got 2.5 years of automotive sales experience).

This is my last semester here at the community college I am attending. I'll most likely be transferring to a 4-year university and getting my bachelor's degree in information and decision science (it'll roughly take me 1.5-2 years to get the degree).

I am not planning on taking any summer courses so the 3-4 months I have off I'm planning on working and saving some money for rent and other college expenses.

I got a job offer at a local Toyota dealership (16 miles away from home one way). The GSM said he is really impressed with my sales experience and resume as a whole. I told him how this is my last semester here at the community college. He asked me if I was planning on continuing my education. I told him depending on coivd and if classes go in person I might or I might not (I lied. I'm going to continue my education regardless).

He said once I start working at Toyota I won't want to go back to college because of the amount of money people that sell cars there make(that's the thing I am afraid about. I want to finish my college degree and not do what I did two years ago. I dropped out and started selling cars full-time. Pissed my Asian parents off made decent money though). He said people that sell cars there make anywhere from $50k/year to $200k/year. That's a lot of damn money

Do y'all think I should take it?

Take the job. Become indispensable. When you sign up for your next year of college, give notice and suggest that you might stay if they can give you a part time job around your class schedule.

Working while in college is tough but doable if you don't party too much and plan your time well. That way you get out with less (or no) student debt and a lot of experience.

Go for it!