[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by rwheels

More like..."Ford received almost 45,000 F-150 Lightning pre-orders in under 48 hours"

https://www.engadget.com/ford-f-150-...162653871.html

Decent, lets see were that number ends up. Ford sold 900k F150 units in 2019 and 790k units in 2020. It will be interesting to see what % of F150 sales is the Lightning. Any word from Ford on their capacity to fill orders?

Most hyped launch of any vehicle recently was the Bronco, amassed 230,000 reservations in first two weeks.
https://www.motor1.com/news/436528/2...ations-report/

[Multimodal]

You guys are really finding edge cases to criticize the future. If you are towing your boat eight hours to the Keys or your race car 400 miles away, buy a diesel truck. This is for people taking their boat to the local lake.

Here in the SF Bay Area this would work for me. I could take my boat around locally or to Monterey or Lake Tahoe.

[Dlpfcb]

I think Ford actually did a really good job with this one. Still maintained the look of an F150 without changing the whole cosmetic look. This thing will sell like crazy. Normally I wouldn't ever give props to most of there lineup, but this is will end up being everywhere.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by Mr. Maboomba

You guys are really finding edge cases to criticize the future. If you are towing your boat eight hours to the Keys or your race car 400 miles away, buy a diesel truck. This is for people taking their boat to the local lake.

Here in the SF Bay Area this would work for me. I could take my boat around locally or to Monterey or Lake Tahoe.

Yeah, it's the same people that claim you can't have an electric car because everyone constantly drives 700 miles cross country every week. I mean, as a % of the population, the people who this won't work for is pretty damn small, more a function of people living in apartments that don't have access to good charging, vs. people constantly out-driving the range. From a commercial work truck perspective, this would be a huge win, trucks that need to carry some stuff, but that remain intra-city for the most part, going from business location to jobsite.

Yep, battery energy density has a ways to go before things like heavy towing are realistic, but things are moving in that direction.

[brad850csi]

I like this but I wonder if there could have been room onboard for a little flat twin or 4 or something that could run off petrol to extend the range. Kind of like an i3 but on a different scale.

[DieselDiner]

Originally Posted by brad850csi

I like this but I wonder if there could have been room onboard for a little flat twin or 4 or something that could run off petrol to extend the range. Kind of like an i3 but on a different scale.

Ford has a better idea (that's an old Ford ad saying): https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3...pickup-patent/

[hellrotm]

$10k up charge for extended range on the commercial truck. Commercial truck called the “Pro” gets 230 miles range for $40k. Extended range Pro is the “XL” with 300 mile range for $50k.

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by Mr. Maboomba

You guys are really finding edge cases to criticize the future. If you are towing your boat eight hours to the Keys or your race car 400 miles away, buy a diesel truck. This is for people taking their boat to the local lake.

Here in the SF Bay Area this would work for me. I could take my boat around locally or to Monterey or Lake Tahoe.

Only downside I see to road trips is the Electrify America network is trash. I watched numerous reviews of people road tripping the Mach E and the network is very unreliable, from non working stations to never getting anywhere near the rated fast charge. Overall a very aggravating experience. Tesla charging network is years ahead of anything.

Keep in mind you are not getting 300 mile range on freeway. You will get about 20% less than epa rating going a constant 75mph. Towing adds another wrench. I would say under 100 mile range towing a boat. You will be stopping multiple times going to Tahoe, especially when you start going up grade and dropping range even more. Honestly if you are towing don’t buy this truck. Unless you are doing short local trips.

[Multimodal]

Originally Posted by hellrotm

You will be stopping multiple times going to Tahoe, especially when you start going up grade and dropping range even more. Honestly if you are towing don’t buy this truck. Unless you are doing short local trips.

Yes, probably true. I think the only electric truck I would consider right now is the Rivian R1T with 400 mile range. But if I get a truck in the next year it would probably be a Dodge Ram 2500 diesel - I recently rented one to tow my 27' Grady White and it was amazing - and then move to electric in another 5 years.

[stein_325i]

FORD INTRODUCES ALL-ELECTRIC F-150 LIGHTNING PRO, BUILT FOR WORK WITH NEXT-GENERATION TECHNOLOGY, SEAMLESS OVERNIGHT CHARGING

Originally Posted by Ford Media

Built Ford Tough for commercial customers
Introducing the all-new 2022 F-150 Lightning® Pro – the first-ever all-electric F-Series truck purpose-built for commercial customers; Built Ford Tough, it joins E-Transit in the growing lineup of Ford work-ready electric vehicles, backed by a nationwide network offering EV-certified fleet sales, service and financing, making the transition to zero emissions easy.

Electric capability, more power on tap at an affordable price
Starting at an MSRP* of $39,974, F-150 Lightning Pro offers value and performance with standard range battery and dual motor power 4x4 targeting 426 horsepower** and a targeted EPA-estimated 230 miles of range†; available extended-range version targeting 563 horsepower** and a targeted EPA-estimated range of 300 miles† starts at an MSRP* of $49,974.

Charging, connectivity for easy fleet integration
Ford charging systems simplify EV integration into North American fleets with available 48- and 80-amp chargers to enable overnight charging with Level 2 AC plus Ford charge management solutions for home, public and depot, while an electric vehicle telematics dashboard and OEM-grade electric vehicle data support fleet management.

More space, reliable upfitting
First-ever Ford Mega Power Frunk, offering 14.1 cubic feet of lockable, water-tight storage and the capacity to carry up to 400 pounds; it comes standard with four 120-volt AC outlets and two USB ports, with two more outlets in the cab and two in the 5.5-foot rear cargo bed, which is ready for easy upfitting with its familiar F-150 dimensions and mounting points.

DEARBORN, Mich., May 24, 2021 – America’s best-selling line of commercial vehicles†† unveils the newest member of its growing work-ready lineup – the all-new, all-electric 2022 F-150 Lightning® Pro.

Purpose built for commercial customers, it blends familiar Built Ford Tough power, capability and durability with a high-tech electric platform that adds new capabilities and features designed to improve productivity and reduce operating costs‡ – while also delivering zero emissions.

Registrations open today at Fleet.Ford.com and when it arrives next year, it will be supported by an established network of 644 electric vehicle-certified Ford Commercial Vehicle Centers across the U.S. offering sales, service, financing and charging solutions, as well as 2,300 EV-certified Ford dealers.

“F-150 Lightning Pro represents so much more than an electric workhorse - it’s made for commercial customers inside and out, it gets better over time, and it’s totally plugged into always-on services that can help business productivity,” said Jim Farley, president and CEO, Ford Motor Company. “As more companies make the commitment to go carbon neutral, they are going to expect electric products that can integrate into their operations easily. Ford is so uniquely positioned to answer this call because we have a zero-emissions pickup and van, many of our customers want both vehicles in their fleet.”

Power, capability, value and range tailored for commercial customers
The all-new F-150 Lightning Pro makes no compromise in terms of innovation, power or capability. Affordably priced, F-150 Lightning Pro makes it easy to go electric with amazing new capabilities plus affordable and easy commercial charging solutions.

With a starting MSRP* of $39,974 before tax incentives, the always-on 4x4 F-150 Lightning Pro with the standard range battery targets an EPA-estimated 230-mile range† and includes a complimentary 32-amp Ford Mobile Charger, making the transition affordable for small and medium-size businesses. Targeted to generate 426 horsepower and 775 lb.-ft. of torque** with its standard lithium-ion battery, the base truck has a targeted 2,000-pound maximum payload capacity and is targeting up to 5,000 pounds of towing capability – and up to 7,700 pounds with the optional Max Trailer Tow package‡‡. For all models, maximum payload is based on accessories and vehicle configuration.

Where more power, towing and range are needed, F-150 Lightning Pro can be optioned as an extended-range version with a targeted EPA-estimated 300-mile range† starting at an MSRP* of $49,974 before tax incentives. This version offers customers a targeted 563-horsepower 4x4 powertrain, while torque remains 775 lb.-ft.** It includes an 80-amp Ford Charge Station Pro, which, when combined with the included onboard dual chargers, enables affordable Level 2 overnight charging using battery-friendly AC power – negating the need for expensive DC power installation. Equipped with the optional Max Trailer Tow Package, targeted maximum towing increases to 10,000 pounds‡‡.

“More than 145 million miles of telematics data show that for the average F-150 commercial customer in the U.S., 95% of their daily travel is less than 174 miles,” said Ted Cannis, general manager, Ford North America commercial business. “Commercial customers track their business expenses closely – they buy what they need and not a penny more.”

To help gauge potential purchase and operating cost savings, Ford commercial customers have exclusive access to a new Ford digital fleet planning tool that calculates a variety of factors including purchase and lease costs, federal and regional tax incentives, and regional fuel and energy costs. F-150 Lightning Pro targets reducing scheduled maintenance costs by 40% over eight years and 100,000 miles‡ – with potential for further operational cost savings through lower fuel costs.

“The digital fleet planning tool will help demonstrate how Ford can provide many customers improved total cost of ownership for a full-size commercial electric truck, from favorable purchase costs, lower fuel and maintenance costs plus strong residual values we expect will mirror those of the commercial F-Series trucks,” said Cannis. “Best of all, it comes wrapped in a trusted Built Ford Tough-tested truck that delivers what our customers love about F-Series today.”

Built Ford Tough for today’s commercial and government customers
F-150 Lightning Pro electric undergoes the same rigorous Built Ford Tough durability testing as all F-Series trucks. This means millions of miles of harsh testing at Ford facilities across the United States and on the road, and in the hands of commercial customers. The same is true for the battery and powertrain, which will endure a grueling array of tests that includes hundreds of charges and runs across rocks, stones, mud baths, up high grades in desert heat – with trailers attached, and in icy temperatures at 40-degrees below zero.

The military-grade aluminum alloy body and upgraded high-strength steel frame support the advanced battery, while the first F-Series independent rear suspension and low center of gravity help improve isolation from the road, provide a stable ride and reduce steering roll – all while maintaining the durability and reliability expected of an F-150. Advanced cooling systems help ensure the truck can thrive even through the toughest of ordeals, while thick, high-strength aluminum alloy protects the components and steel underbody shields are added for extra protection of the battery and dual electric in-board motors in the front and rear.

“Ford commercial trucks are the backbone for many of our customers’ businesses, which is why we put them through testing so harsh, some areas can only be driven by robots,” Cannis said. “This helps ensure that when we say the F-150 Lightning is Built Ford Tough, customers understand what that means for their business.”

New spaces, capability and electric-enabled technology for serious work
Going electric with the F-150 Lightning Pro brings a host of new technologies and features never before possible in a commercial pickup.

Front and center is the first-ever Mega Power Frunk on an F-Series pickup. Under the hood, where an internal combustion engine used to be, is a spacious, high-tech cargo area complete with four 120-volt AC Pro Power Onboard electrical outlets and two USB ports. It also features a rugged, water-tight space strong enough to store 400 pounds of cement bags. Under the powered waterfall hood with bumper-height opening, this well-lit space can be locked, unlocked and accessed from either the remote key fob, an exterior button or from inside the vehicle. A one-way drain makes cleaning easy.

“When we first showed this design to our commercial truck customers, they were floored,” said Cannis. “They appreciated the ability to quickly lock their tools and gear up front, while saving their cargo bed for supplies and other equipment to get the job done. So much more easy access space means commercial customers can rethink the way they work, like moving toolboxes to the frunk for unobstructed bed space.”

Pro Power Onboard is a built-in AC power source that comes standard with 2.4 kilowatts of capability through four outlets in the Mega Power Frunk, two more in the cabin and two in the bed. Available 9.6-kilowatt Pro Power Onboard – with enough power to rip up to 30 miles of half-inch plywood on a single charge on the extended-range battery – adds two more 120V and a 240-volt AC outlet in the bed. Both versions automatically adjust the truck’s battery range estimates as power is used. Fleet managers can set parameters for power usage. Should Pro Power Onboard deplete the battery charge level to the point the truck cannot reach a charge location, it will shut down automatically or based on a pre-determined customer setting to prevent the truck from becoming stranded.

F-150 Lightning Pro will be offered in a full-size four-door, five-passenger SuperCrew configuration. It features easy-to-clean vinyl seats along with standard SYNC® 4 with 12-inch color LCD touch screen and 12-inch productivity screen, plus standard Ford Co-Pilot360™ 2.0 – a comprehensive collection of driver-assist features. A full-size spare tire is mounted under the 5.5-foot cargo bed – which has similar mounting points to the current F-150 for easy upfitting along with a standard Class IV hitch.

The truck’s Intelligent Range system reduces range anxiety through an adaptive monitoring system that calculates battery range needed to complete a trip, factoring in terrain, weather, cargo and trailer load, and distance to destination. That data is shared with the cloud-based Ford Power My Trip feature and SYNC 4, so customers can plan their routes and monitor charge use while driving. Should range become low, the system maps the nearest available charging station from America’s largest public charging network of more than 63,000 plugs§ – including DC Fast Charging locations – to help ensure drivers are not left stranded.

Onboard Scales are available to monitor payload for even more accurate range calculations, while vehicle pre-conditioning – standard across the lineup – can manage cabin temperatures while plugged in to further optimize range. Acceleration and speed limiters come standard to further aid with range and driver safety.

Smart charging solutions made easy
F-150 Lightning Pro comes with a variety of standard and optional smart charging hardware accessories, while multiple available software technologies effortlessly manage charging data and charge transactions for turnkey fleet operation. This includes mapping, driver status and location, and fleet expenses.

Charging hardware starts with the 32-amp Ford Mobile Charger, a 120/240-volt AC charger that’s included with the standard-range F-150 Lightning Pro. An optional higher-capacity 48-amp Ford Connected Charge Station runs on 240 volts while the available 240-volt, 80-amp Ford Charge Station Pro further speeds up charge times for maximum AC home and fleet charging.

Ford is the only automaker to offer an 80-amp charge station as standard equipment with the extended-range truck, helping customers easily charge at home. It takes advantage of the only dual onboard charging system in the industry to cut the 15% to 100% charge time to around eight hours for the targeted EPA-estimated 300-mile-range† battery for reliable AC overnight charging that can dramatically reduce charging infrastructure investments and battery wear.

When rapid charging is needed on the road, customers can leverage the Ford Charging Network’s 150-kilowatt Level 3 DC fast charging locations that can deliver a 15% to 80% charge in less than 45 minutes§§ – about the time for a typical lunch break.



With the Ford EV Telematics dashboard active, vehicle data is shared seamlessly over the cloud so fleet managers can track vehicle health, status and range, log and pay for public charging events centrally, reimburse employees for home charging, remotely pre-condition the cabin while plugged in, and generate alerts and reports for depot and operational efficiency.

Intelligent telematics and electric vehicle data tools to manage your fleet
When activated, the standard 4G LTE modem unlocks a number of seamless connectivity services to help fleets optimize efficiency and lower operating costs. Electric vehicle-specific data, such as kilowatt-hour consumption, charge speed, distance to empty and more, are available to better understand how trucks are operating in real-time to optimize running costs and uptime.

Additionally, the Ford Telematics and EV Telematics dashboard offer in-cab driver coaching, remote vehicle pre-conditioning and severe incident notifications to inform operators should their vehicles be involved in an accident where the airbag is triggered. Email and in-app alerts can relay the driver involved, as well as location and time of crash.

F-150 Lightning Pro will be built by UAW-represented hourly employees at the Rouge Electric Vehicle Center in Dearborn, Michigan.

[P1]

Not a Ford guy, but I tip my hat. Very well thought out it seems. Nice to see that without a petrol engine, you can now use the compartment under the bonnet as a boot/trunk. That was always a bother when traveling with a family: couldn't just leave valuables or luggage in the bed, and there was no inside the cab, nor a place to hide it out of sight.

[grocerylist]

I liked the old Ford Lightnings because they looked cool and sporty. The unique electric features it has are cool but it looks like a boring Ford F150 XL base work truck.

[stein_325i]

Ford F-150 Lightning Could Be Tough To Buy In Base Trim: Report

Originally Posted by Motor1

It will be at least a year before Ford's new F-150 Lightning electric pickup will be available to buyers. That's not stopping folks from talking about pricing, financing, and availability. To that end, the team at Cars Direct is covering all the bases.

There's no question that Ford rocked the EV world by announcing its full-size, AWD, quad-cab Lightning would start under $40,000. In fact, we did our own research on various electric vehicle tax credits and found the Lightning could be purchased for under $30,000 in some states. Of course, we all know how automakers love to tout base-price vehicles when realistically, they're nearly impossible to find. That could hold true for Lightning, according to a Cars Direct report.

The F-150 Lightning Pro is the base model that starts for $39,974. Its primary mission is that of a work truck, aimed at commercial and fleet buyers. That's not to say the average Joe can't buy one, but as is often the case with no-option entry-level models, production is typically low because buyers prefer a bit more panache in their new car. The base-model Lightning Pros that are built will be scooped up by commercial and fleet purchasers, meaning folks will likely need to special order a truck to get that rock-bottom price.

Here's where things potentially get even more complicated. Ford will offer an extended-range Lightning Pro that adds both the maximum range of 300 miles, and the maximum output of 563 horsepower for a $10,000 bump in price. That takes the price tag to $50,000, which still is easily in the realm for many F-150 shoppers. However, another Cars Direct report states this version of the Lightning Pro will only be sold to commercial buyers and won't be available to the general public.

If that's the case, the only way to get an F-150 Lightning with full range and power will be to nix the base model completely and go with an XLT. That trim starts at $52,974, though it's unclear if it comes with the extended range and full power as part of the package. If it's not – and the add-on is the same $10,000 upgrade as seen on Lightning Pro – buyers could be looking at a minimum of over $60,000 to get an electric F-150 with the maximum range and power advertised by Ford.

Perhaps that's why the Blue Oval will reportedly offer its Ford Options Plan for the Lightning. In short, it's something of a fusion between standard financing and leasing where the buyer has lower monthly payments compared to a typical finance plan. The final payment is then a large balloon payment, or if the buyer chooses, the vehicle can be returned to Ford Credit. Ford currently offers this on the Mustang Mach-E and Cars Direct reports it will be offered on the Lightning as well.

Of course, there's still plenty of time for all this to change. We're less than a week out from the F-150 Lightning's debut and still a year away from first deliveries to customers. That is, provided there aren't additional production delays due to COVID-19, computer chip shortages, or any other global hiccups that could wreak further havoc on manufacturing.

Sounds like a similar story to that of the $35,000 Model 3.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by hellrotm

Decent, lets see were that number ends up. Ford sold 900k F150 units in 2019 and 790k units in 2020. It will be interesting to see what % of F150 sales is the Lightning. Any word from Ford on their capacity to fill orders?

Most hyped launch of any vehicle recently was the Bronco, amassed 230,000 reservations in first two weeks.
https://www.motor1.com/news/436528/2...ations-report/

I have a Bronco on order, so I'm closely following the process. Ford has stated in rounded numbers the registration volume was 190,000 as of the 1st Quarter 2021. The reservation-to-order conversion ending mid April was around 70%.

Not sure where Motor1 got it's info from.

What I've learned from the cyber-launch process, is it does not work well with traditional auto manufacturers that sell through a nation-wide privately-held dealership network. Ford and it's like brethren should stop trying to mimic Tesla. Cyber-launches work for Tesla because it sells through the internet and delivers via company retail outlets.

[stein_325i]