[shawnhayes]

Originally Posted by kyriian

7.43 for a roughly 300hp front wheel drive car with 4 doors, that is listed about a second behind a Porsche Cayman 981 GT4 (on Sport cup 2s as well), less than 2 seconds behind a 997 GT3 driven by Walter Röhrl. A 4 door family econobox, keeping up with 2 Porsche GT cars, let that sink in.

I'm not saying it's crap, but the EVO's time was STOCK. That 7.43 was with a roll cage and stripped. And a 997? That's ancient history (or so it seems now).

So, great car for what it is, and damn good value for money. But on a regular track day in the U.S. at a HPDE now? Spec Miata's are behind you flashing the lights for you to get out of the way.

Shawn

[shawnhayes]

Originally Posted by RM7

Everyone can't afford a GT3 RS with full cage, so most people compare their abilities to the capability of the car and race in similar classes so they can have decent competition. With that said, in these classes, these cars ARE monsters, they transcend normal FWD perceptions. If you are really passing them that much with equal drivers, then you are running some giant tracks and asymmetrical car classes.

I'll put it to you this way....

Last time on track I saw one of these, a 2004 Audi S4 laid a pretty equal driver completely out at VIR. Like it was sitting still. This is VIR, which has three nearly half mile straights. Both drivers were instructors. Pretty sure the CTR driver was disappointed.

The KBB value on the S4 is $6,500. And he had a cage, and I'm sure a tune, and Nitto NT01's. I didn't see the CTR.

Just sayin', if speed/dollar is the issue, the CTR is great, but still murdered by competitive cars in the class. Again, don't get me wrong. Somebody wants to hand me one, I'm in.

Shawn

[RM7]

On. A. Big. Track. Yeah higher speed cars with longer wheelbase and hp/torque are going to do better there. A tuned S4 can easily be pumping out upwards of 400tq.

[heavyD^2]

Originally Posted by kyriian

I mean, it is still respectable times to be among.
CTR's official Suzuka time is marginally slower than this gentleman in a 997 GT3RS, looking through his youtube videos he certainly isn't just someone who brought his lap

There's no doubt that the car is the pinnacle of FWD performance. I just wish they ran a stock production car for their claims as there are so many people out there that think that's representative of a stock Civic Type R. At the end of the day this car is best on a track like the Nurburgring because on the street it's just another high powered FWD car that has issues putting its power down in anything but ideal conditions.

[Equilibrandt]

Official reveal is July 20th!

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https://www.civicxi.com/forum/thread...F%93%B8.50850/

[freakystyly]

Looks like a beluga whale in white. The hood slope is pretty ugly with the new gen Hondas. Still less shock value than the previous gen!

[Humdizzle]

^ looks so much better than the previous generation.

[ntg44]

Maybe it'll grow on me but there's something about it that leaves me feeling nothing. The overall design is so frumpy and I've never liked that style of wing. The hatch slope is pretty ugly as well. The front bumper and wheels are nice. That's about all I like about it.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by freakystyly

Looks like a beluga whale in white.

Exactly this

[freakystyly]

If that pic is accurate, the right and left front fenders are one piece? Kindof odd.

[pikkagtr]

Originally Posted by freakystyly

If that pic is accurate, the right and left front fenders are one piece? Kindof odd.

I mean it saves you money when it needs to be replaced I guess

[billnchristy]

Well, still 2 as the bumper is half the fender.
Actually 4, looks like the lower sill and lower 3rd fender are separate.

[heavyD^2]

Originally Posted by freakystyly

Looks like a beluga whale in white. The hood slope is pretty ugly with the new gen Hondas. Still less shock value than the previous gen!

The sloping forehead look isn't pretty in photos but in person is less noticeable. The spoiler kind of looks aftermarket tacked on. Still much better looking than last gen.

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by shawnhayes

I'll put it to you this way....

Last time on track I saw one of these, a 2004 Audi S4 laid a pretty equal driver completely out at VIR. Like it was sitting still. This is VIR, which has three nearly half mile straights. Both drivers were instructors. Pretty sure the CTR driver was disappointed.

The KBB value on the S4 is $6,500. And he had a cage, and I'm sure a tune, and Nitto NT01's. I didn't see the CTR.

Just sayin', if speed/dollar is the issue, the CTR is great, but still murdered by competitive cars in the class. Again, don't get me wrong. Somebody wants to hand me one, I'm in.

Shawn

It's not really fair to compare used vs new when talking about money spent.

I think most enthusiasts know if they want, they can buy a used car and dump a bunch of money in it and have it perform as well or better than new car..........around a track.

But you lose a lot of other advantages by doing so.

I could build a really fast Fox-body Mustang for less than $20k........but I'd also be driving a car designed in the early-80s, off a platform designed in the 70s that wouldn't have any modern conveniences.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox

It's not really fair to compare used vs new when talking about money spent.

I think most enthusiasts know if they want, they can buy a used car and dump a bunch of money in it and have it perform as well or better than new car..........around a track.

But you lose a lot of other advantages by doing so.

I could build a really fast Fox-body Mustang for less than $20k........but I'd also be driving a car designed in the early-80s, off a platform designed in the 70s that wouldn't have any modern conveniences.

Yeah, if you want a real good race car, you need to build one. It’ll cost money, but not as much as a gt3 RS, but you’ll strip everything non essential out, cut the body panels, do all sorts of mods. It’ll spank an production car around a track, except for hyper-car level stuff, but it’s not a good example of anything other than a race car.

[Equilibrandt]

If those leaks are to be believed, this car is much more attractive than the previous gen. Gotta agree with previous posters that the hood looks bad in pics but isn't bad IRL on current cars.

My SA still said that he's holding out for a dual-clutch offering. Guess we'll see!

Super happy they went with a machined-upright style wing instead of the massive Subaru WRX STI wang.

[shawnhayes]

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox

It's not really fair to compare used vs new when talking about money spent.

I think most enthusiasts know if they want, they can buy a used car and dump a bunch of money in it and have it perform as well or better than new car..........around a track.

But you lose a lot of other advantages by doing so.

I could build a really fast Fox-body Mustang for less than $20k........but I'd also be driving a car designed in the early-80s, off a platform designed in the 70s that wouldn't have any modern conveniences.

On the surface, you have a point. But at 2004 Audi S4 is pretty much LOADED with creature comforts (except GPS and a big infotainment screen).

Again, not saying she's crap. Just I think Honda could have done A LOT better. Maybe I'm just greedy.

Shawn

[Equilibrandt]

I get where y'all are coming from with older cars competing with relatively similar track times.

But to be honest, I don't imagine anyone who wants a Type R would choose a car from the 2000s over this 2023 because of lap times.

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