[RM7]

Originally Posted by Mingwan

It would probably be more helpful if they just enforced laws on not texting and driving rather than speeding.

Well, they are enforcing the laws that exist...the speed limit laws, by the cheapest and most efficient means possible.

But what exactly do you mean by "enforce" the texting laws? How are they going to determine that someone was texting? Because they are holding their phone? How do you prove it? Does the fact that the phone sends data prove it? Phones send and receive data all the time, updating apps, mail, etc.

Do you outlaw those dip**** phone mounts that you see everyone using? It seems it's either that or some idiot HOLDING their phone and talking in a vehicle that very obviously has bluetooth phone connectivity where it's not even necessary.

So how exactly do you "enforce" this? Do you make it mandatory for phone companies to install software that shuts off the phone if it detects movement? What about if they are passengers, or on a train, plane or boat?

If there's a reasonable chance you aren't going to get caught, it doesn't really matter, there is effectively no enforcement. Because everyone has a phone in the car now and quite literally, "everyone is doing it", the cat is out of the bag. How do you get it back in? How do you prove the things I was saying above, you going to let the police pull your personal cell data, see your text messages and such? Even then it'd be hard to prove, since you'd need to show while a text was sent a vehicle was being operated, that comes down to the seconds of when a text was sent.

Given all of this, the thing that makes accidents worse is excessive speed, so they are going in the place that will have the most payoff for the effort.

I think there should be recurrent driving tests, not some BS written test every 15 years, but an actual driving test with standards and you have to actually stop at the stopsign/light, not 10 feet out in the intersection, you have to use your blinker, you have to set your mirrors correctly, and so on. But ARP would never stand for that and people think the are way better than they are, including the politicians. When it comes down to it, most people don't want this.

It's going to take a pretty radical solution at this time to get that cat back in the bag now and any way it's done, it's going to impact on "personal freedoms"...

[baron95]

"Attention all residents, your Hawaiian beach town is being overrun by fire - evacuate at once as fast as you can" - Followed by a stream of cars driving slowly at the speed limit while the firestorm approaches.




News alert, news alert, news alert. Some teenagers have used a cheap Chinese GPS spoofer/jammer AND changed the speed limits signs on a stretch of Texas highway from 80MPH to 30MPH, causing vehicles to decelerate rapidly resulting in a massive pile up.



The headlines will be endless.



Me? I'd just tape over the speed limit recognition cameras in my car, and tin foil the GPS receiver.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by RM7

Do you outlaw those dip**** phone mounts that you see everyone using? It seems it's either that or some idiot HOLDING their phone and talking in a vehicle that very obviously has bluetooth phone connectivity where it's not even necessary.

My favorite are the people who use a phone suction windshield mount when their car has big screen TV and Apple/Android car play.

[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by RM7

Well, they are enforcing the laws that exist...the speed limit laws, by the cheapest and most efficient means possible.

But what exactly do you mean by "enforce" the texting laws? How are they going to determine that someone was texting? Because they are holding their phone? How do you prove it? Does the fact that the phone sends data prove it? Phones send and receive data all the time, updating apps, mail, etc.

Do you outlaw those dip**** phone mounts that you see everyone using? It seems it's either that or some idiot HOLDING their phone and talking in a vehicle that very obviously has bluetooth phone connectivity where it's not even necessary.

So how exactly do you "enforce" this? Do you make it mandatory for phone companies to install software that shuts off the phone if it detects movement? What about if they are passengers, or on a train, plane or boat?

If there's a reasonable chance you aren't going to get caught, it doesn't really matter, there is effectively no enforcement. Because everyone has a phone in the car now and quite literally, "everyone is doing it", the cat is out of the bag. How do you get it back in? How do you prove the things I was saying above, you going to let the police pull your personal cell data, see your text messages and such? Even then it'd be hard to prove, since you'd need to show while a text was sent a vehicle was being operated, that comes down to the seconds of when a text was sent.

Given all of this, the thing that makes accidents worse is excessive speed, so they are going in the place that will have the most payoff for the effort.

I think there should be recurrent driving tests, not some BS written test every 15 years, but an actual driving test with standards and you have to actually stop at the stopsign/light, not 10 feet out in the intersection, you have to use your blinker, you have to set your mirrors correctly, and so on. But ARP would never stand for that and people think the are way better than they are, including the politicians. When it comes down to it, most people don't want this.

It's going to take a pretty radical solution at this time to get that cat back in the bag now and any way it's done, it's going to impact on "personal freedoms"...

I think having phone locked above 10mph is a start. You're a passenger? Sucks. Use a tablet.

I'm for a much higher standard for driving tests. You should have to recertify annually for the first 5, and then every 5 years going forward. There should also be classes of licenses, broken up by vehicle size and performance. The requirements to move up should be a mix of education, experience, and driving ability. You don't get to give your 16 year old kid a 500hp car to start off with just because you have money. They would have had to be training and studying for it beforehand. If a kid turns 16 and has had verified experience racing go karts, doing car handling classes, etc, they put in the work understanding the physics of a car, fine. The same goes for mid life crisis Fred, just because "I've been driving longer than you've been alive" doesn't mean you know what you're doing and can handle a 500hp.spprts car.

It will never happen, sadly.

[RM7]

Great idea, which will also cost more money, you could sell it as saving emergency response money, but up front it would cost a lot more than the current system, so more taxes, and then selling it to people that would then have the chance of failing said tests and being banned from the road.

Most of out congress people are geriatric to start with…

[Volsung]

i dont see how they make the correlation of speeding and fatalities most crashes happen in bad weather and poor tires are the real cause behind most accidents. besides its basically saying i can buy a gun but i cant speed because its to dangerous... And the goverment thinks they can regulate all that on what money you mean the taxes we pay now for the roads they dont keep up this is such a mess it will never happen

[RM7]

Originally Posted by Volsung

i dont see how they make the correlation of speeding and fatalities most crashes happen in bad weather and poor tires are the real cause behind most accidents. besides its basically saying i can buy a gun but i cant speed because its to dangerous... And the goverment thinks they can regulate all that on what money you mean the taxes we pay now for the roads they dont keep up this is such a mess it will never happen

No, the speed makes crashes more egregious with more injuries. The crashes happen either way.

[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by RM7

No, the speed makes crashes more egregious with more injuries. The crashes happen either way.

So does weight, but you don't see anyone trying to ban overly heavy vehicles. Cell phone cause most crashes, but we can't implement a lock out for them when their internal sensors detect they're going over 5 mph.

This isn't about safety, it's about control. If they can limit how fast your car can drive based off speed limits, they can also limit it based on other factors. Maybe you have cut rate insurance, and so your insurance company wants to limit you to 45mph. Maybe you've offended a government bureaucrat and now you're limited to 35mph. Maybe you're an undesirable type of person, and your car is limited to 1 mph.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by BlkGS

So does weight, but you don't see anyone trying to ban overly heavy vehicles. Cell phone cause most crashes, but we can't implement a lock out for them when their internal sensors detect they're going over 5 mph.

This isn't about safety, it's about control. If they can limit how fast your car can drive based off speed limits, they can also limit it based on other factors. Maybe you have cut rate insurance, and so your insurance company wants to limit you to 45mph. Maybe you've offended a government bureaucrat and now you're limited to 35mph. Maybe you're an undesirable type of person, and your car is limited to 1 mph.

You are right, people would rather be playing with their phones. Probably around 95% of the people on this site even. All the idiots that have those dash-mounts so they can watch their phone while they drive. Just going by numbers of people alone that I see playing with phones, it's going to be the vast majority of any subset of the population.

[Leucosticte]

Originally Posted by RM7

You are right, people would rather be playing with their phones. Probably around 95% of the people on this site even. All the idiots that have those dash-mounts so they can watch their phone while they drive. Just going by numbers of people alone that I see playing with phones, it's going to be the vast majority of any subset of the population.

It's crazy to me just how many people I see playing with their phones while driving.
It's funny to me because driving is the most dangerous thing they do everyday, and they can't even give 100% attention while they're doing that.