[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by cfm56d7b

This vehicle is perhaps the reason why BMW NA will not bring any Touring models to the US. In SoCal, X3s are literally everywhere. The new design will most likely continue to sell just as well.

Wagons and Hatcbacks don’t sell well in North America unless they’re on stilts

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by Hotflare

That'd be better tbh. Can't justify the tax on a newer x5

I guess… it’s already UGE

If only the X1/X2 drove even close

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by Max Well

Suspect it has more to do with how Mnfrs report DIN, EU, and Curb wts. It is confusing so back in 2019 tried to clarify the differences - https://x3.xbimmers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1624835 . Maybe it implies the US M50x is stuck with the heavy pano as standard equipment whereas EU and elsewhere that's an option again? Just a guess, though, as there wasn't that marked a diff between reported EU and US Curb in the G01 it seems.

Here's an attempt at an early spreadsheet comparison:

The extra US weight is due to EU options being US standard.

Please double check your weight data and make sure it's apples to apples. The data I provided is curb weight _without_ driver. The driver adds 75kg.

[ronsk]

Strange Front/ rear legroom has reduced in G45 even with the increase in length!

Originally Posted by Max Well

Suspect it has more to do with how Mnfrs report DIN, EU, and Curb wts. It is confusing so back in 2019 tried to clarify the differences - https://x3.xbimmers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1624835 . Maybe it implies the US M50x is stuck with the heavy pano as standard equipment whereas EU and elsewhere that's an option again? Just a guess, though, as there wasn't that marked a diff between reported EU and US Curb in the G01 it seems.

Here's an attempt at an early spreadsheet comparison:

[Max Well]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

The extra US weight is due to EU options being US standard. Please double check your weight data and make sure it's apples to apples...

Agreed, and spreadsheet lines 15-17 in the Jun 2019 link I shared reinforces that idea. Suspect the M50x's main EU vs US wt diff is the pano, as mentioned.

Would be helpful if Mnfrs had one consistent global standard for vehicle weight as it becomes difficult to tease out what parameters are actually being included by the different firms to allow true 'apples-apples' view, which was the point of my previous thread.

Thanks for your future model updates.

Originally Posted by ronsk

Strange Front/ rear legroom has reduced in G45 even with the increase in length!

Only 2-3mm diff which is insignificant. Suspect the added cargo volume is helped by the increased length.

[ronsk]

Originally Posted by Max Well

Only 2-3mm diff which is insignificant. Suspect the added cargo volume is helped by the increased length.

May be. The new X1 has slightly more legroom than present X3. I’d be really surprised if BMW were to reduce it for new X3.

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by ronsk

May be. The new X1 has slightly more legroom than present X3. I’d be really surprised if BMW were to reduce it for new X3.

Seems logical

[Neusser]

Originally Posted by SoCali E36

So they’re going to milk this chassis for almost a decade?

TBH, it is rather smart. SUVs don't drive well, and the customers don't typically care about driving, otherwise they would not drive an SUV.

So if they have a good chassis that works in the practical sense and that continues to exceed saftey standards, why not just reskin it and update the tech and aesthetics? What could they really do to improve a car that is more or less a grocery getter?

I'd stretch the lifespan as long as possible, if it continues to sell.

[X3M40iS+]

Originally Posted by Kevin_The_Clean1

Hope BMW hurries up with the official reveal photos soon. I want to order a brand new X3 M40i right away if the new one is ugly & has that curved screen with the kick stand on the dashboard + no buttons for the HVAC controls. I still think the current version is one of the last of greats & in the sweet spot of their new & controversial design language.

For the same reason I bought my M40i in January and enjoying every bit of it ever since!

[Kevin_The_Clean1]

Originally Posted by supershaft

I know the X3 sell like hotcakes but in my experience the X3 has been the most poorly built vehicle in the lineup. Hopefully they improved and I'm looking forward to see the X3M

I've owned 4 different X3 M Competitions & each one was rock solid in all regards. So I would have to instantly disagree with it being poorly built. Where did you get this info from & sound like a heavily biased assumption to begin with. Would love to see factual data to back up this bogus claim.

[Kevin_The_Clean1]

Originally Posted by Neusser

TBH, it is rather smart. SUVs don't drive well, and the customers don't typically care about driving, otherwise they would not drive an SUV.

So if they have a good chassis that works in the practical sense and that continues to exceed saftey standards, why not just reskin it and update the tech and aesthetics? What could they really do to improve a car that is more or less a grocery getter?

I'd stretch the lifespan as long as possible, if it continues to sell.

SUV's don't drive well is the typical assumption made by the masses & a blanket statement for the average manufacturer's sloppily built SUV. The X3 MC on the other hand is on a whole different level & is easily considered the "M3 of the SUV world". So there are exceptions to some rules. Even a stock X3 M can easily hand many dedicated sports cars a healthy serving of grade A ass whooping on both the street & track. Have you ever seen a Porsche get passed on a track & looked at the owner's face while doing so... ? I sure have & the image is priceless. Some of us like SUV's & still care about raw performance too. Simply keep that in mind.

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by Kevin_The_Clean1

SUV's don't drive well is the typical assumption made by the masses & a blanket statement for the average manufacturer's slopilly built SUV. The X 3 M on the other hand in on a whole different level & is easily considered the M3 of the SUV world. So there are exceptions to some rules. Even a stock X3 M can easily hand many dedicated sports cars a healthy serving of ass whooping on both the street & track. Have you ever seen a Porsche get passed on a track & looked at the owner's face while doing so... ? I sure have & the image is priceless. Some of us like SUV's & still care about raw performance too. Simply keep that in mind.

lol there are many sporty type cars that would lose to even an x3 m40i much less an x3m lol

[stefan]

Originally Posted by ASAP

better get to ordering... the curved screen w ipad is already confirmed in interior spyshots

This is surprising and disappointing. I heard from a my local BMW rep that the company has been receiving significant negative feedback through dealerships on the giant screen.

[Spectremotorsports]

[QUOTE=ASAP;30978357]what?

There will be no X3 outside of an X3M that has remotely close to 400 hp or above...


I’m a little confused.. the current M40i has 380+ horsepower, call me crazy but i think that falls into “remotely close to 400” territory.

I don’t think it will get much more but it’s already underrated as it is.

[Romax]

[QUOTE=Spectremotorsports;30980938]

Originally Posted by ASAP

what?

There will be no X3 outside of an X3M that has remotely close to 400 hp or above...


I’m a little confused.. the current M40i has 380+ horsepower, call me crazy but i think that falls into “remotely close to 400” territory.

I don’t think it will get much more but it’s already underrated as it is.

The B58 is a wonderful engine. Can squeeze a lot more horsepower out of it. Just have to want it.

[pg80]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

Because numbers no longer matter

I think It’s confusing for people like us who know what the stuff has meant but the general public they have no idea what it means anyways other than the trim (higher number equal better) that’s all people are going to see but I think it’s weird and confusing and kind of unnecessary what are they gonna do raise the number every single time are we gonna get to M100 at some point it just seems like they’re painting themselves into a corner with the numbers

[IAmSpeed]

Originally Posted by kjadis

My 2022 X4 m40i lease is up in August. Do we have any details on when these will be available?

Next X4 won't come out until 2026. Multiple sources have confirmed.

[Mavus]

Originally Posted by pg80

I think It’s confusing for people like us who know what the stuff has meant but the general public they have no idea what it means anyways other than the trim (higher number equal better) that’s all people are going to see but I think it’s weird and confusing and kind of unnecessary what are they gonna do raise the number every single time are we gonna get to M100 at some point it just seems like they’re painting themselves into a corner with the numbers

I am with you but that train has left the station long time ago back after e46 days. b58 should really be 330, 530, x330 etc. These days label means higher content and of course higher price. In the case of 50x3 it is marketing upping the label since they need to differentiate from prior model and give folks bragging rights and charge more since 99% of folks don’t open the hood when buying a car. At least that’s how I see it …

[ASAP]

[QUOTE=Spectremotorsports;30980938]

Originally Posted by ASAP

what?

There will be no X3 outside of an X3M that has remotely close to 400 hp or above...


I’m a little confused.. the current M40i has 380+ horsepower, call me crazy but i think that falls into “remotely close to 400” territory.

I don’t think it will get much more but it’s already underrated as it is.

So 382 HP is not 400... even the X5 LCI got the 3rd iteration of the B58 with 375 hp in its top trim. There will be no powerbump as getting to 400 hp starts to create uncomfortable space to the X3m which is at 500... an X3M can't get more power unless they raise the X3M to the M3 Comp X drive LCI 525 hp number.

[QUOTE=Romax;30981188]

Originally Posted by Spectremotorsports

The B58 is a wonderful engine. Can squeeze a lot more horsepower out of it. Just have to want it.

Sure... but they can't for purposes of keeping the hierarchy of models in check... there is no talk of a B58 variant with above 382 HP... at least I haven't seen any.

[Neusser]

Originally Posted by Kevin_The_Clean1

SUV's don't drive well is the typical assumption made by the masses & a blanket statement for the average manufacturer's sloppily built SUV. The X3 MC on the other hand is on a whole different level & is easily considered the "M3 of the SUV world". So there are exceptions to some rules. Even a stock X3 M can easily hand many dedicated sports cars a healthy serving of grade A ass whooping on both the street & track. Have you ever seen a Porsche get passed on a track & looked at the owner's face while doing so... ? I sure have & the image is priceless. Some of us like SUV's & still care about raw performance too. Simply keep that in mind.

SUVs don't drive well due to basic physics. Heavy and tall are two attributes you do not want in a driver's car.



Road-oriented SUVs are for getting groceries.

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by Neusser

SUVs don't drive well due to basic physics. Heavy and tall are two attributes you do not want in a driver's car.



Road-oriented SUVs are for getting groceries.

i dont know any bmw at this point that wouldnt be thought of as heavy... an m3 xdrive is 3900 lbs and the new m5 will weigh more than an f150 crew cab (thats not a joke)... so all thats left is the tall part

[TXGrey]

Originally Posted by Neusser

SUVs don't drive well due to basic physics. Heavy and tall are two attributes you do not want in a driver's car.



Road-oriented SUVs are for getting groceries.

Tho I do agree 100% with the first statement…. Comepletely disagree with the last one. Tech has come so far in this era, that smaller CUVs can handle remarkably well (even at track speeds)… hence videos of Macan GTSs and X3M Comps passing sports cars on a track (which we all know has a zillion variables, not just the car itself)… But the point is, saying a CUV doesn’t handle well is kind of dated statement IMO. Some of them handle extremely well, all things considered. Having said that, WOULD I want to throw a CUV around a track? Personally, no, I wouldn’t…. Again, going back to your comment about physics. Why fight it? But of course, to each their own. I’d be willing to bet a Macan GTS or an X3M would handle its own just fine in the twisties with 95% of the sports cars out there (minus GT3, GT4, and of course M3/4 Comp).

Now, saying that they don’t handle AS WELL AS (insert performance vehicle name here), that’s a different argument. Still - I get your point… and completely get the vast amount of target market that’s being catered to here.