[san~man]

Originally Posted by Beast116

the difference between your 10' shelby and..what?!?!

MY=model year

[darkcloud]

Originally Posted by BrokenVert

The Ford 302 is a beast of engine. I have one in my 01 Merc Mountaineer nd it still runs with well over 150,000 miles with no issues other than a sticky throttle body (I blame the salt air near the coast) and that was taken care of with a quick splash of WD-40.

Still powerful too, 8 seconds is mighty quick for 2 1/2 ton SUV. The sound is intoxicating too.

God im still a Ford guy, why the hell do I drive a BMW?

My rents had a 00 Mountaineer back in the day. I used to steal that car constantly. The car was great! Fast, fun, AWD, and a pretty decent factory sound system. The sub used could hit low real hard.

I remember putting cars in their place all the time off the line with that car . I vaguely remember a guy at the Merc dealership telling me dudes with change would buy Stang GT's and the Mountaineer and doing engine swaps cuz the Mountaineer made like 20-30 more hp because it was tuned differently or something. The dude could have been talking out his ass for all I know, never really looked into it.

Glad to see the 5.0 coming back though. Ford is doing some good stuff. I hope Chevy is taking notes.

[BrokenVert]

Originally Posted by darkcloud

My rents had a 00 Mountaineer back in the day. I used to steal that car constantly. The car was great! Fast, fun, AWD, and a pretty decent factory sound system. The sub used could hit low real hard.

I remember putting cars in their place all the time off the line with that car . I vaguely remember a guy at the Merc dealership telling me dudes with change would buy Stang GT's and the Mountaineer and doing engine swaps cuz the Mountaineer made like 20-30 more hp because it was tuned differently or something. The dude could have been talking out his ass for all I know, never really looked into it.

Glad to see the 5.0 coming back though. Ford is doing some good stuff. I hope Chevy is taking notes.

Id believe it

Ive taken 00 Stangs off the line in my Merc. Mine even handles pretty well. It has a little known SVT H/O package. It adds stiffer bushings and a stiffer suspension, I honestly think that my 135i has more body roll than this truck. It also has a class III tow system, which adds bigger water and oil coolers, a beefed up electrical system and slightly more powerful brakes.

And why do you want Chevy to take notes?

[MHP]

Originally Posted by Muffnbluff

Wait, what? You saw the new 5L mustang with a tune over a year ago?

Yes, actually more than that. Here's a cell phone pic of one of the prototype Coyote 5.0L/4Vs at Roush:


They've been working on it for 3+ years. We work closely with a few OEMs on product development, mostly software.

[BForbes]

HOLY CRAP MAN!! Just a tune?!?!

[MHP]

Originally Posted by BForbes

HOLY CRAP MAN!! Just a tune?!?!

440-450 crank HP on 93 octane with just a tune, correct. So they left 28-38HP on the table (20-22HP of that is lost going from 93-91 octane) allowing for dyno variance, etc. This was on a Cartec/MAHA with real fans btw.

[MHP]

I've already been asked to yank the photo, my apologies, I shouldn't have posted it in the first place.

Going to remove it now.

Thanks

[Muffnbluff]

Originally Posted by MHP

I've already been asked to yank the photo, my apologies, I shouldn't have posted it in the first place.

Going to remove it now.

Thanks

D'oh, I missed it!

That's awesome you get to work with stuff like that. So are the headers really as good as Ford claims when they say people won't even need to look to the aftermarket because the stock ones are so good?

[MHP]

Originally Posted by Muffnbluff

D'oh, I missed it!

That's awesome you get to work with stuff like that. So are the headers really as good as Ford claims when they say people won't even need to look to the aftermarket because the stock ones are so good?

Keep in mind I only saw prototype headers, but they are typically as nice or better than production parts since they are lower volume and not outsourced.
I will say that they aren't as good as the OEM headers on the S85 M5/M6s, and if the S65s are of similar design (haven't seen a set up close, yet) they aren't as good as them either.
The S85 headers are incredible with the cats removed and a properly shaped/sized cone inserted, honestly I think they are the nicest OEMs I've ever seen on a car. V10 M5/M6s with this primary and secondary cat delete with an otherwise stock exhaust regularly walk on (hard) full S.S. exhaust cars with no cats in the Gulf. All else equal, even software (and they even swapped complete exhaust systems on two otherwise identical M5s to compare) same result with both cars. Major props to BMW for that. The 63 manifolds are truely garbage by comparison.
Anyway, yes they can and will be improved on. 70-80% of overall power gained from a LT design vs OEM log (which have come a long way in the last decade even though they aren't pretty) comes from the collector design. Definite improvements to be had in this dept. Also this motor needs 1 3/4" primaries and aftermarket 300cpi high flow cats or off-road mids will always gain vs an OEM 500-600cpi met. cat.

Thanks!

[James_E85M]

Not much of a Ford guy anymore, but definitely interested to see how this new motor pans out. Sounds like it has a lot of potential.

[MHP]

Originally Posted by James_E85M

Not much of a Ford guy anymore, but definitely interested to see how this new motor pans out. Sounds like it has a lot of potential.

Port angles, valve sizing, etc aren't on par with BMW's N/A jewels but for a domestic 4v V8 it's pretty much the cats ass, especially at that price.

[BForbes]

Originally Posted by MHP

I've already been asked to yank the photo, my apologies, I shouldn't have posted it in the first place.

Going to remove it now.

Thanks

I really appreciate all the great insight you've given!

[MHP]

Originally Posted by BForbes

I really appreciate all the great insight you've given!

NP, my pleasure. In turn it's nice to see all the enthusiasim for N/A 4Vs on this forum without the bias or favortism that one would normally associate with a brand specific site. Nice forum guys, that says a lot.

This is the time to enjoy some of the greatest N/A motors in the history of the world, we really need to indulge as much as we can now.

[Muffnbluff]

Originally Posted by MHP

Port angles, valve sizing, etc aren't on par with BMW's N/A jewels but for a domestic 4v V8 it's pretty much the cats ass, especially at that price.

Oh yeah, for less than $35k it's looking to be a pretty badass motor. Not to mention the aftermarket will have parts galore available in no time. Will be interested to see what this motor does with a mild cam swap, exhaust work and a tune. Will probably be an easy 475hp.

[darkcloud]

Originally Posted by BrokenVert

And why do you want Chevy to take notes?

Maybe they'll start producing cars worth looking at again??

[uberschnell]

Originally Posted by darkcloud

Maybe they'll start producing cars worth looking at again??

I think this is worth looking at....

[mtla4]

Actually the Ford line up is one of the best right on. Aside from the Ranger-Focus there are no bad cars. The upcoming Kuga and Fiesta are amazing. If Ford produce an SVT version of the Fusion it would be perfect. For some reason an AWD Fusion with a Mazdaspeed3 engine would be on my shopping list.

[kyleb350]

Originally Posted by mtla4

Actually the Ford line up is one of the best right on. Aside from the Ranger-Focus there are no bad cars. The upcoming Kuga and Fiesta are amazing. If Ford produce an SVT version of the Fusion it would be perfect. For some reason an AWD Fusion with a Mazdaspeed3 engine would be on my shopping list.

Or the 3.5L Ecoboost

[darkcloud]

Originally Posted by MteK

I think this is worth looking at....

Sure. A car they'll never produce.

[BrokenVert]

Originally Posted by darkcloud

Sure. A car they'll never produce.

Thats the problem with concept cars. Although that concept did have many of the design features and shapes that were brought into production on the facelifted Mustang.

You can even buy a targa coupe with a glass roof. So a GT stang that looks nearly like that car can be yours.

[jeremyc74]

Pricing was annouced.

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/01/18/2...rt-from-22-995

Ford has really pushed the envelope with its 2011 Mustang. Both V6 and V8 models receive nearly 100 horsepower bumps and new transmissions along with a host of standard features that will help the Blue Oval go toe-to-toe with the Chevrolet Camaro and Dodge Challenger. The 2011 Mustang looks pretty good on paper, but we're very curious to know how much Ford will increase the price of its upgraded ponycar. The Mustang Source appears to have the answer to that question, and from what we can see, the Mustang will cost more than the coupe it replaces, yet it will still beat the Camaro on price.

Judging by TMS' information, a base Mustang coupe will cost $22,995 (*including $850 for destination) – that's $750 pricier than the 2010 model, but over $500 cheaper than the base Camaro. The base GT coupe will reportedly crack the $30,000 barrier for the first time with an MSRP of $30,495 including destination. That's $1,250 more than a 2010 GT and $1,300 cheaper than a 1SS Camaro.

The pony lovers also got their hands on option pricing, ranging from $995 to opt for a six-speed automatic transmission to $2,340 for an electronics package that includes navigation. The California Special package can be had for $2,475 and stopping power can be increased by adding Brembo brakes for $1,695. Head over to The Mustang Source to download the PDF (which we've also gallerized below), or hit the jump to check out base pricing for all eight Mustang models. Once you've done that, come back to let us know if you think Ford has added enough value to justify the price hikes by leaving your thoughts in Comments

Some more pics too:

[AZ135]

i gotta test drive one!