BMW 0-series (?) - FWD entry-level model based on Mini officially confirmed

Summicron · 03-09-2010, 03:31 PM

I don't get it. This will compete with highly successful Mini brand which has tradition on it's side unlike, Coke Zero....I meant BMW Zero.

vase330 · 03-09-2010, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by kooper

Oh dear. It's all good and well that the 0 Series will be FWD, notwithstanding the fact that there will now be a FWD BMW. If it helps them make better cars that they traditionally focus on then bring it on.

But the next 1 possibly becoming FWD? Where'd that come from? The current 1 is probably as big inside as the E36 was, maybe a bit tighter. The next 1 will obviously be bigger still, so why the need to switch to FWD? Surely not packaging?

Is there something we're not being told here? If BMW has a FWD 1, perhaps that would make it easier for them to share platforms with some other manufacturer of FWD Golf-class cars, or even worse, easier to *gulp!* merge with some other manufacturer of FWD Golf-class cars...

Just planting the seed here people.

Added thought: And if this 0 Series is a reaction to Audi's A1, what will BMW do if Audi suddenly bring out an A0? A Sub0 Series?

I was so waiting for someone to point out that! Yeah, they have M-suvs too, ans a rumored V6, a V8 and Turbos tooo. Words don't mean nothing, ultimate driving machine, inline motors, rear wheel etc is all marketing bull shit. Sorry so many of you got fooled for so long. Drunk their cool-aide didn't you.

Frosty · 03-09-2010, 03:54 PM

...its all about China people.... what will be big in China in next few years

~Frost

kooper · 03-09-2010, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by bluejaypanther

Please stop. You're going to give me nightmares.

I just took this to 1addicts. I expect outrage to follow shortly.

Hehe, I can relate regarding the nightmares.

The article was nothing more than speculation (I thought), but things like this really make me wonder.

JIM E92 · 03-09-2010, 04:08 PM

Guess we are a bunch of whining purist. The idea of a BMW going the way of VW is very disturbing to us....[gasp] a front wheel drive....[!@#$!@#$] platform sharing!

These are things that are coming weather we like it or not. They even have a name for the change in philosophy....it's call Efficient Dynamics.

sworks335i · 03-09-2010, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Frosty

..perhaps they will make the M-Zero I have been hoping for...

What is this beauty? And why have we not heard more?!

JSCO · 03-09-2010, 04:56 PM

stupid idea...super car should be the focus and YES China will be the focus but not for another few years...

bluejaypanther · 03-09-2010, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by JIM E92

Guess we are a bunch of whining purist. The idea of a BMW going the way of VW is very disturbing to us....[gasp] a front wheel drive....[!@#$!@#$] platform sharing!

These are things that are coming weather we like it or not. They even have a name for the change in philosophy....it's call Efficient Dynamics.

I think that being offending by the 0 series makes one a whining badge purist.

But the possibility of FWD in the 1 series is totally different. If they, instead, offered x-drive as an option on the car, I wouldn't care. It's that they are considering destroying the car I love that pisses me off.

MCMLXXXIX · 03-09-2010, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Bluechipper

You must have not gone to an Auto Show lately. They are all about the green movement. Every manufacturer has their electric cars, hyrbrids, etc.

A BMW supercar is not happening anytime soon. Right now BMW is all about their efficient dynamics.

BMW didn't even bring the X5M and X6M to the Detroit Auto Show because they were embarrassed of them.

Vision EfficientDynamics... were we not told that was going into production?...obviously a more practical design but the concept is all there. itll be a superhybrid car lol

numba1guju · 03-09-2010, 06:22 PM

Isetta-is...lol

BMWI6 · 03-09-2010, 06:39 PM

why would they make it FWD!!!! Make it RWD and it will be so much better and people will want it so much more.

kooper · 03-09-2010, 07:08 PM

Once again agreed with bluejaypanther. The so-called 0 Series will be a totally new car (ignoring that it will be based off of the next Mini for a second), and as such they can do with it whatever they want. The FWD thing is a bit touchy, but that's fine, as I said, it's a completely new car in its own segment and if it makes them money, all the better.

The 1 Series though, that's already an established formula. One of its biggest selling points is RWD capability in a segment made up mostly of FWD copies. What would it possibly be able to offer if it too suddenly becomes FWD?
Once more, the competition has been doing wrong-wheel-drive for decades now. Jumping on the bandwagon will not do BMW any favors as a) they'll likely lose established customers, b) they'll need to find a new pitch why people should buy it when potential clients can get the same basic concept elsewhere for cheaper and c) so long M variant (assuming the M division has no FWD plans of their own...).

The only likely advantage I can fathom is that going FWD in the next 1 could maybe drive down costs since they'll probably be able to share components between Mini, 0, 1 and likely a third-party manufacturer as well, but even that makes little sense as the current 1 shares lots of components with the current 3. Why not just do the same thing with the next 3?

Btw, if I'm rambling on too much let me know, I have a knack to get worked up a bit about these things

Master Deep · 03-09-2010, 07:16 PM

I'm pretty sure a RWD mini would be tricky to drive hard by the general public without it spinning out because of such a small wheelbase. But I agree the 0-series shouldn't be fwd if it's going to carry the BMW name.

335i_4D · 03-09-2010, 08:17 PM

Nice addition to the BMW family as a FW

persianbmw91 · 03-09-2010, 08:19 PM

if they make an m fwd car im officially calling it quits. wtf do u jump ship to tho :'( i dont wanna be homeless

slythyrnsalazar · 03-09-2010, 09:33 PM

Boo.

Oulixes · 03-09-2010, 09:40 PM

Talking about city microcars, BMW has Isetta in its history, appearing around 1955. A four-stroke one-cylinder, 250cc motorcycle engine generating 13 hp. But it was not called 0-series and it was powered like a WV - engine in the trunk, driving the back wheels.

ianbiz · 03-09-2010, 10:03 PM

it BMW starts producing FWD cars, I might as get an Audi.. RWD is the main reason im not in a B7 S4 or a B8 A4

BMWinNorthdakota · 03-09-2010, 10:04 PM

RWD=

YYdoodle · 03-09-2010, 10:12 PM

UHM CALM DOWN PEOPLE

LOL at all the overreactors saying they will bail BMW cars altogether if they make a FWD 0-series

You are probably also the same guys saying you aren't buying the badge for its image.

Why would you go buy an Audi or another make just because BMW is going to make a FWD 0-series. That still leaves the 1, 3, 5, 6, 7, Z, X cars as NON-FWD cars! Will BMW all of the sudden stop making great driving RWD cars just because of a FWD 0-series? NO. And who even said the 0-series is coming to the US anyways??

Stop jumping off a bridge just because of this news sheeesh!

d3l0n · 03-09-2010, 10:23 PM

y not

d3l0n · 03-09-2010, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Terps

UHM CALM DOWN PEOPLE

LOL at all the overreactors saying they will bail BMW cars altogether if they make a FWD 0-series

You are probably also the same guys saying you aren't buying the badge for its image.

Why would you go buy an Audi or another make just because BMW is going to make a FWD 0-series. That still leaves the 1, 3, 5, 7, Z, X cars as NON-FWD cars! Will BMW all of the sudden stop making great driving RWD cars just because of a FWD 0-series? NO. And who even said the 0-series is coming to the US anyways??

Stop jumping off a bridge just because of this news sheeesh!

+1
Audi has already been using a6 and maybe a4's with FWD, unless i'm mistaken... but it's in their lower models.. like entry a6 and entry a4, definitely on a3

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kooper Private First Class 45 Rep 109 Posts Drives: E36 M3 (I wish) Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Somewhere iTrader: (0)	Once again agreed with bluejaypanther. The so-called 0 Series will be a totally new car (ignoring that it will be based off of the next Mini for a second), and as such they can do with it whatever they want. The FWD thing is a bit touchy, but that's fine, as I said, it's a completely new car in its own segment and if it makes them money, all the better. The 1 Series though, that's already an established formula. One of its biggest selling points is RWD capability in a segment made up mostly of FWD copies. What would it possibly be able to offer if it too suddenly becomes FWD? Once more, the competition has been doing wrong-wheel-drive for decades now. Jumping on the bandwagon will not do BMW any favors as a) they'll likely lose established customers, b) they'll need to find a new pitch why people should buy it when potential clients can get the same basic concept elsewhere for cheaper and c) so long M variant (assuming the M division has no FWD plans of their own...). The only likely advantage I can fathom is that going FWD in the next 1 could maybe drive down costs since they'll probably be able to share components between Mini, 0, 1 and likely a third-party manufacturer as well, but even that makes little sense as the current 1 shares lots of components with the current 3. Why not just do the same thing with the next 3? Btw, if I'm rambling on too much let me know, I have a knack to get worked up a bit about these things
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YYdoodle Captain 122 Rep 666 Posts Drives: E92 M3 fanatic Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: MD iTrader: (0)	UHM CALM DOWN PEOPLE LOL at all the overreactors saying they will bail BMW cars altogether if they make a FWD 0-series You are probably also the same guys saying you aren't buying the badge for its image. Why would you go buy an Audi or another make just because BMW is going to make a FWD 0-series. That still leaves the 1, 3, 5, 6, 7, Z, X cars as NON-FWD cars! Will BMW all of the sudden stop making great driving RWD cars just because of a FWD 0-series? NO. And who even said the 0-series is coming to the US anyways?? Stop jumping off a bridge just because of this news sheeesh! Last edited by YYdoodle; 03-09-2010 at 10:19 PM..
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