[mtla4]

Originally Posted by blue2fire

I like the GTi, drove a few MKV's and they left me utterly cold as far as the experience but they are extremely well accomplished DD's. They are the complete opposite to a K20 Civic and just lack the X factor when you really push it, just a very boring engine with torque and not much else to distinguish it.

I don't think someone crashing into your door really should be one of the reasons?

Dealers are pretty much the same, If you dont like one you could just go a few miles and like the next one like everyone else eventually does.

The insurance thing is pretty weird considering the massive difference in the capability of both cars but non M BMW's are always pretty good with it, I guess. About HPFP problems, some have it and some don't, mine has had one precautionary change in nearly 40k miles.

Whatever, I say you will regret it OP. Just spend the extra $100 a month (if leasing again) and get what you know you want.

Well I was fed up with dealership, appointement to replace HPFF and injector problems had to flat bed the car otherwise come back in 3 weeks and yes I felt jinxed once the idiot hit me. Also I always wanted a GTI and I had a deal where I could unload the 135 without taking a hit(My friend worked for the vw dealer) for being in an accident so I did. As far as the engine goes well I admit like every other turbo engine out there it is boring(way too linear for me and dies up top and they all sound like vaccum cleaners). I owned a k20a2 acura almost a decade ago while it was fun more then the GTI I would not want to own a civic SI for a DD.

BTW good luck OP. My opinion Jetta-Golf TDI. At least you wont have remorse or regret since it's kinda unique and resale value is unreal.Good luck with your decision!
Pic below(the guy kidney grill were showing on my door)

[matt_435xi]

Originally Posted by mtla4

BTW good luck OP. My opinion Jetta-Golf TDI. At least you wont have remorse or regret since it's kinda unique and resale value is unreal.Good luck with your decision!

Thanks mtla4!

I really need to test drive a TDI VW. The gas mileage sounds great, but the lack of HP and 0-60 times being ~9.1 seconds kinda scares me coming from the Ultimate Driving Machine. At least the GTI and GLI can hold their own.

[freshwhite335]

VW leases are pretty expensive. I know a loaded 4-door GTI was leasing for close to $500 a month about 3 months ago with $0 down.

[immiketoo]

Originally Posted by matt_335Ci

CC maxed out is getting into 3 series territory.

Really...I had no idea.

[matt_435xi]

Originally Posted by freshwhite335

VW leases are pretty expensive. I know a loaded 4-door GTI was leasing for close to $500 a month about 3 months ago with $0 down.

ugh, just like Audi. poor residuals makes leasing unattractive. doh!

[matt_435xi]

Originally Posted by immiketoo

Really...I had no idea.

well the VR6 AWD stickers at $40k. CC starts around 30k.

[mtla4]

Originally Posted by matt_335Ci

Thanks mtla4!

I really need to test drive a TDI VW. The gas mileage sounds great, but the lack of HP and 0-60 times being ~9.1 seconds kinda scares me coming from the Ultimate Driving Machine. At least the GTI and GLI can hold their own.

It's a totally different mindset while you're driving a TDI you're trying to achieve the best MPG(Trying to beat your previous record all the time) so you tend to shift faster drive slower while with the GTI/GLI...... you're not a car noob so you know the drill . The money saved on gas could get you a used toy E46 M3 or s2000 so your need for speed will be fullfilled. Think about it no premium gas+amazing MPG=major savings.

[1-2MANY]

Maybe see if the new f30 n20 engine will be out by then. I'm sure it will be fun and easily tunable

[plague]

VW's are awesome cars. ive owned 5.. theyre luxurious, stable, they last (if cared for), and can be tuned up easily if wanted of course. ill always love vw. heres mine

[-=Hot|Ice=-]

Jetta's have gone cheap. I say get a Passat.

[M3Bahn]

Get a mini if you want cheap and lots of fun.

[matt_435xi]

Originally Posted by M3Bahn

Get a mini if you want cheap and lots of fun.

i would but too small, need room for 4. i want to get a 4 door (not a fan of the countryman)

[NewYearsBoy]

Originally Posted by mtla4

Not really a downgrade. My 135 was my DD sold it bought a GTI(reason hated Bmw stealerships, HPFP probs, passenger door was resprayed due to an idiot in an e46 m3 that hit my door trying to impress me on the highway). The car is fun to drive, fast enough only problem insurance is double of what the 135 was.

Insurance DOUBLE... Damn I could not image that for me, I could buy a new Bell and Ross watch each year...

I wanna hear the story about the guy in the M3 hitting you!!! Damn that sucks..

[NewYearsBoy]

I found 09 335i's for around 30k???...

[NewYearsBoy]

Originally Posted by mtla4

Well I was fed up with dealership, appointement to replace HPFF and injector problems had to flat bed the car otherwise come back in 3 weeks and yes I felt jinxed once the idiot hit me. Also I always wanted a GTI and I had a deal where I could unload the 135 without taking a hit(My friend worked for the vw dealer) for being in an accident so I did. As far as the engine goes well I admit like every other turbo engine out there it is boring(way too linear for me and dies up top and they all sound like vaccum cleaners). I owned a k20a2 acura almost a decade ago while it was fun more then the GTI I would not want to own a civic SI for a DD.

BTW good luck OP. My opinion Jetta-Golf TDI. At least you wont have remorse or regret since it's kinda unique and resale value is unreal.Good luck with your decision!
Pic below(the guy kidney grill were showing on my door)

SHIT^^^ I am having Injector problems too!!!! my car was in service all DAY!! I have a different 328i every other month. I had my HPFP go at 12k.. The cars reliability is JUNK!! Oh ya my dealership is Horrible too..

[-=Hot|Ice=-]

We really need the Scirocco over here.

[M3Bahn]

Originally Posted by matt_335Ci

i would but too small, need room for 4. i want to get a 4 door (not a fan of the countryman)

Go for an E46, my 323i has been super reliable and they are quite a deal now.

[freshwhite335]

i'd do a CPO BMW or a used IS350 if you wan to just get something reliable to keep for a while.

[matt_435xi]

now i am down to my final 4 months, and its between a new Jetta GLI or F30 328i. i know that is an apples to orange comparison, but those are my 2 favorite 4 door sedans right now. i need to see, smell, test drive the F30 before I make a decision.

i think USA dealerships will have F30 demos mid-Feb (2/11/12)?

[BMW269]

Why not to get this? An Alfa 159? FI 1.8l I4 as FWD or NA 3.2l V6 as AWD.

[MisterSkiMask]

Originally Posted by Levi

Why not to get this? An Alfa 159? FI 1.8l I4 as FWD or NA 3.2l V6 as AWD.

Not even an option in the us

[michaelthepsycho]

Originally Posted by Levi

Why not to get this? An Alfa 159? FI 1.8l I4 as FWD or NA 3.2l V6 as AWD.

OMG those modern Alfa's are gorgeous but as mentioned before, not here in the U.S.

Don't get a CC; it looks great on the outside but the interior is very claustrophobic. They had to chop a lot of the roofline off to make it a "four-door coupe." The engine and transmission are okay, though.

I'd get a Golf TDI for the novelty factor. The only gripe I have is the price. $24k starting price for a DD. You're not saving any money here, either on purchase price or fuel.