[The Chaddening]

Originally Posted by 1MOREMOD

Where you get the water at? Asking for a friend

https://www.belledelphinestore.com/p...irl-bath-water

Unavailable now unfortunately, it's an out of this world pump and focus.

[floridaorange]

[The Chaddening]

Seriously though, pre-jym from Jim Stoppani. Used it for years.

Been using hydro-whey from optimum nutrition as a post workout. Whey isolate and concentrate tear my stomach up but hydro-whey seems to be better. Not cheap though.

[JP10]

Originally Posted by The Chaddening

Seriously though, pre-jym from Jim Stoppani. Used it for years.

Been using hydro-whey from optimum nutrition as a post workout. Whey isolate and concentrate tear my stomach up but hydro-whey seems to be better. Not cheap though.

What are you made of money!? lol

Not a fan of JYM products, over priced and over hyped. Thought this was funny when it first happened. https://www.leagle.com/decision/infdco20180131h91. A guy basically called Jim Stopanni out on his "clinically dosed" claims.

[The Chaddening]

Originally Posted by JP10

What are you made of money!? lol

Not a fan of JYM products, over priced and over hyped. Thought this was funny when it first happened. https://www.leagle.com/decision/infdco20180131h91. A guy basically called Jim Stopanni out on his "clinically dosed" claims.

Lol what a petty lawsuit!

I haven't seen much out there that can touch his blend though:

Creatine Hydrochloride (HCl), 2 grams
Beta-Alanine, 2 grams
Betaine, 1.5 grams
Taurine, 1 gram
N-Acetyl L-Cysteine, 600mg
Alpha-GPC, 300mg
Citrulline Malate, 6 grams
Beet Root Extract (Beta vulgaris L.), 500mg
BCAAs, 6 grams (3g leucine, 1.5g isoleucine, 1.5g valine)
L-Tyrosine, 1.5 grams
Caffeine Anhydrous, 300mg
Huperzine A, 50mcg

I used some of the newer GNC pre workouts that were not bad. If you have any recommendations for newer pre-workouts, I am all ears (as long as it's not any of that "micro dosed" garbage).

[JP10]

Originally Posted by The Chaddening

Lol what a petty lawsuit!

I haven't seen much out there that can touch his blend though:

Creatine Hydrochloride (HCl), 2 grams
Beta-Alanine, 2 grams
Betaine, 1.5 grams
Taurine, 1 gram
N-Acetyl L-Cysteine, 600mg
Alpha-GPC, 300mg
Citrulline Malate, 6 grams
Beet Root Extract (Beta vulgaris L.), 500mg
BCAAs, 6 grams (3g leucine, 1.5g isoleucine, 1.5g valine)
L-Tyrosine, 1.5 grams
Caffeine Anhydrous, 300mg
Huperzine A, 50mcg

I used some of the newer GNC pre workouts that were not bad. If you have any recommendations for newer pre-workouts, I am all ears (as long as it's not any of that "micro dosed" garbage).

Haha, yeah that lawsuit was hilarious. It is a damn good blend, best I've seen honestly. I just can't justify the price tag on it. I use to just buy the raw ingratiates and make my own - 100mg of caffeine, 6-8g of malate, and 2-4gs of beta-alanine (plus creatine if I was on it or not). This was my go-to because every brand throws in 200-400mgs of caffeine and I don't need/want all that. This was a really inexpensive way if you don't mind mixing the ingredients. Then you can customize it with the other ingredients as you would like to. Gives you the opportunity to fine tune the blend to how you want it. Also allows you to see/feel how different ingredients affect you both physically and mentally.

[The Chaddening]

Originally Posted by JP10

Haha, yeah that lawsuit was hilarious. It is a damn good blend, best I've seen honestly. I just can't justify the price tag on it. I use to just buy the raw ingratiates and make my own - 100mg of caffeine, 6-8g of malate, and 2-4gs of beta-alanine (plus creatine if I was on it or not). This was my go-to because every brand throws in 200-400mgs of caffeine and I don't need/want all that. This was a really inexpensive way if you don't mind mixing the ingredients. Then you can customize it with the other ingredients as you would like to. Gives you the opportunity to fine tune the blend to how you want it. Also allows you to see/feel how different ingredients affect you both physically and mentally.

Yup, it isn't cheap for sure. I did the same thing and made my own for a while. My wife wasn't a fan of having a pantry that looked like a meth lab and I got tired of constantly mixing 15 ingredients so I just started buying it pre-made again (plus a couple fun memories of when I accidentally doubled the beta alanine ).

100% with you on the caffeine. 200mg is ideal for me. I have tried a couple pre-workouts with 400mg of caffeine and it was just absurd. I saw Layne Norton was making pre-workouts for a bit and he offered a caffeine free option which is a great idea.

[JP10]

Originally Posted by The Chaddening

Yup, it isn't cheap for sure. I did the same thing and made my own for a while. My wife wasn't a fan of having a pantry that looked like a meth lab and I got tired of constantly mixing 15 ingredients so I just started buying it pre-made again (plus a couple fun memories of when I accidentally doubled the beta alanine ).

100% with you on the caffeine. 200mg is ideal for me. I have tried a couple pre-workouts with 400mg of caffeine and it was just absurd. I saw Layne Norton was making pre-workouts for a bit and he offered a caffeine free option which is a great idea.

Lmao, I feel ya on the meth lab. Fiance got annoyed with that as well.

Yeah I wish companies would just stop jacking up the caffeine so much, never really understood the hype behind it. If you keep your intake is low then low doses have suitable affects. Obviously if you're like King Rudi and consume 700mgs+ a day then a low dosage will have minimal affects lol.

I havent browsed pre-workout in a long while, just came across this which is a nice mix minus the "high" caffiene https://outworknutrition.com/products/pre-workout. But again at $2/serving it isn't for me haha.

[King Rudi]

Originally Posted by JP10

Lmao, I feel ya on the meth lab. Fiance got annoyed with that as well.

Yeah I wish companies would just stop jacking up the caffeine so much, never really understood the hype behind it. If you keep your intake is low then low doses have suitable affects. Obviously if you're like King Rudi and consume 700mgs+ a day then a low dosage will have minimal affects lol.

I havent browsed pre-workout in a long while, just came across this which is a nice mix minus the "high" caffiene https://outworknutrition.com/products/pre-workout. But again at $2/serving it isn't for me haha.

I'm literally drinking a Reign Orange Dreamsicle at this very moment. I've actually started mixing my pre-workout in half scoops. I don't need to be full blown Mr. Hyde when I get to the gym anymore. Trying to calm my ass down a bit these days. Come early spring, when I go back on a cut, that'll most likely change for a month or two. The game plan now is to get as fat as possible (not really - just trying to pack on mass) until the end of February.

Currently my fav is LIT AF Sour Apple Jolly Rancher

[PoorLurker]

Here are some good pre-workouts that have some options

https://www.transparentlabs.com/collections/preseries

[wknd_M]

Been using JYM (black cherry) for years until just recently I wasn’t able to obtain it anymore at my local GNC due to the damn recall. Currently I’m on Ghost pre

[GladiatorOwner]

Originally Posted by PoorLurker

Here are some good pre-workouts that have some options

https://www.transparentlabs.com/collections/preseries

This is the best out right now. No BS. No jitters etc, just good energy and a serious pump. Jym is 2nd or 3rd. Loved bullnox until it was changed a yr or so ago.

[FizzyElf]

Usually pre-workout I put on my running shorts, shoes and take a dump before heading out the door. Sometimes a sip of water. Just eat healthy, none of this pre-processed junk for me.

I'm almost 43 and without too much effort do 40-42 minute 10k's. I'm too lazy to try hard. Although my 67 year old dad still does 50 min 10k's and he's got a pacemaker.

[M5Rick]

Every day treadmill about 3miles at 5-6 km/h,then a mile walk with our small dog and when it gets warmer I'll dig out the mtb and ride a traffic free route.Pre-work out consists of usual relieving yourself and just moving arms and legs about to loosen up for a few minutes.

[jmack]

Coffee in the morning, and a stim-free pre-workout before training. Currently using RSP Pump Boost, it's definitely not as effective as the caffeine filled ones in terms of energy boost, but still gives a nice pump and recovery vs not taking anything.

[mantis]

haladrol, clenbuterol, and anavar

post workout peptides ghrp-2

[JP10]

Originally Posted by mantis

haladrol, clenbuterol, and anavar

post workout peptides ghrp-2

Jesus christ man lol. Keep after it, responsibly I hope. Gotta be yoked running all that gear, hope they're not all orals or your liver is going to be pissed.

[mantis]

Originally Posted by JP10

Jesus christ man lol. Keep after it, responsibly I hope. Gotta be yoked running all that gear, hope they're not all orals or your liver is going to be pissed.

understanding how all these are dealt with in vivo, took a great deal of time.

liver supports, hormone supports, kidney supports, adrenal supports are all needed.

cycling is paramount. and injectables are best.

[SpartanGA]

C4

[mantis]

Originally Posted by SpartanGA

C4

good stuff i worked with cellucore on this from the very beginning as well as a lot of USPLabs stuff, Jack3d first edition was the shit. primordial performance had some great pre workouts too, Gregg at Lockout is the man

[poling2127]

the ghost pwo is pretty good and about to try novapump from the recommendation of a gym friend. hosstile supps and granite supps are very legit but kinda pricey.

[LaVitaEBella]

I am making my own smoothie, a combination of fruits and veggies.