[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by gblansten

From your article:
"Given that many people cannot be bothered to read the first page of the owner's manual, Porsche kept receiving reports of overheating from EV and PHEV owners who didn't bother reading the charging instructions."

Got to show you some love for your steadfast support of EV's
Question: If the upper quote is true what does that imply about EV owners and Porsche EV owners specifically?

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

If the witch not burns at the pyre , then she was a witch.

You Europeans were always ahead of us on the science.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

You Europeans were always ahead of us on the science.

Yeah. Einstein is/was born in Germany

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

If the witch not burns at the pyre , then she was a witch.

At the Salem witch trials some were hanged

[M5Rick]

What you've been waiting for, Scotty gets his hands on a working Tesla

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Got to show you some love for your steadfast support of EV's
Question: If the upper quote is true what does that imply about EV owners and Porsche EV owners specifically?

People, in general, never ever

I knew a sh*t ton of power was going to go through my house while charging and did NOT want to screw things up by going cheap on the electrical system.

I’m happy for EVs to find their niche and expect much of the government pressure to be dialed back. I’d prefer they find their way in the marketplace on their own merits.

I’m just over a year on the S Plaid and I’m still enjoying the hell out of it.

[bimmer456]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

What you've been waiting for, Scotty gets his hands on a working Tesla

Just watched this video. Turns out if you by CPO on Teslas website it comes with acceleration boost. You can get pretty good deals on 2021 models with low mileage for $37K, 0-60 in 3.7 seconds. Not sure if it comes with the mobile charger as well versus acceleration boost and the mobile charger being extra cost on new vehicles, though they do give a discount for inventory new vehicles versus custom order as well and $7500 potential tax credit if taking delivery before January 1st so that could be used to pay for acceleration boost on a new vehicle. That being said you can get a tax credit on used ones as well.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by bimmer456

Just watched this video. Turns out if you by CPO on Teslas website it comes with acceleration boost. You can get pretty good deals on 2021 models with low mileage for $37K, 0-60 in 3.7 seconds. Not sure if it comes with the mobile charger as well versus acceleration boost and the mobile charger being extra cost on new vehicles, though they do give a discount for inventory new vehicles versus custom order as well and $7500 potential tax credit if taking delivery before January 1st so that could be used to pay for acceleration boost on a new vehicle. That being said you can get a tax credit on used ones as well.

I'm over the pond so looked up CPO, certified pre-owned. Sure, always a good idea to have a certified one depending on what you want but I'll only consider a very small ev runabout for shopping to add to my car collection when the ones running things retract the 2035 new gas car sales ban.

[infinitekidM2C]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

At the Salem witch trials some were hanged

I consider anyone without an EV a environmental witch.

[KRS_SN]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/arielco...ses-headaches/

Lithium: Price Collapse Secures Green Transition, Causes Headaches

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by KRS_SN

Lithium: Price Collapse Secures Green Transition, Causes Headaches

"Market forces are here to stay. Environmental advocates ignore the market (often focusing on political or social campaigns) at their own peril. To paraphrase Pericles, some environmentalists may not be interested in the market, but the market remains interested in them."

“If socialists understood economics they wouldn't be socialists.”
― Friedrich Hayek

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by infinitekidM2C

I consider anyone without an EV a environmental witch.

That's hilarious but...

''Low build quality''

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

"Market forces are here to stay. Environmental advocates ignore the market (often focusing on political or social campaigns) at their own peril. To paraphrase Pericles, some environmentalists may not be interested in the market, but the market remains interested in them."

“If socialists understood economics they wouldn't be socialists.”
― Friedrich Hayek

''Nobody wants to touch these things''

[KRS_SN]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

I found that quote from the article I posted interesting too but a slight modification is better

"Market forces are here to stay. Environmental advocates ignore the market (often focusing on political or social campaigns) at their own peril.
To paraphrase Pericles, some environmentalists may not be interested in the market, but most are a drain on society and wish misery on others to make themselves feel better."


“If socialists understood economics they wouldn't be socialists.”
― Friedrich Hayek

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[Car-Addicted]

Things that should make you go Hmmmmm.

Electric Vehicle Owners Are Not Driving Enough—And That’s Bad
December 13, 2023
Studies have consistently found people are driving their EVs less than their gas cars.
We found that EVs averaged just 7,165 annual miles driven, compared to 11,642 for gas vehicles. A 2021 study found similar results when it examined the increase in household electricity usage after purchase of an EV to estimate mileage, as did a similar analysis of used vehicle listings by iSeeCars.com this June.
But on its latest analysis the Environmental Protection Agency concluded EV owners are driving their cars about the same number of miles as owners of gas vehicles. This could lead to an overestimation of emissions savings from EVs and potentially less-strict emissions regulations for gasoline vehicles.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...and-thats-bad/

[Car-Addicted]

First Federally Funded EV Charger Is Now Running
Nearly two years after $7.5 billion in federal funding was authorized for developing EV chargers, the first of many has arrived.
In total, Ohio is set to receive 27 chargers from this program, all situated on Interstates 70, 71, 76, 77, and 90, the Ohio Turnpike.
https://www.autoweek.com/news/a46099...arger-running/

We have a local convenience store chain that has more that 27 chargers in two locations and they have had them for a couple years.
P.S. The government didn't pay for then. It's called the free market, we should try it more often.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Things that should make you go Hmmmmm.

Electric Vehicle Owners Are Not Driving Enough—And That’s Bad
December 13, 2023
Studies have consistently found people are driving their EVs less than their gas cars.
We found that EVs averaged just 7,165 annual miles driven, compared to 11,642 for gas vehicles. A 2021 study found similar results when it examined the increase in household electricity usage after purchase of an EV to estimate mileage, as did a similar analysis of used vehicle listings by iSeeCars.com this June.
But on its latest analysis the Environmental Protection Agency concluded EV owners are driving their cars about the same number of miles as owners of gas vehicles. This could lead to an overestimation of emissions savings from EVs and potentially less-strict emissions regulations for gasoline vehicles.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...and-thats-bad/

What I'm getting from this is that E pA are lying and the same time trying to coax the public that it's a normal mode of transport as gas cars doing +- the same mileage with the resulting less stricter emissions regs for gas cars..you couldn't make it up from the drama queens advising the gubi.ment.

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Things that should make you go Hmmmmm.

Electric Vehicle Owners Are Not Driving Enough—And That’s Bad
December 13, 2023
Studies have consistently found people are driving their EVs less than their gas cars.
We found that EVs averaged just 7,165 annual miles driven, compared to 11,642 for gas vehicles. A 2021 study found similar results when it examined the increase in household electricity usage after purchase of an EV to estimate mileage, as did a similar analysis of used vehicle listings by iSeeCars.com this June.
But on its latest analysis the Environmental Protection Agency concluded EV owners are driving their cars about the same number of miles as owners of gas vehicles. This could lead to an overestimation of emissions savings from EVs and potentially less-strict emissions regulations for gasoline vehicles.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...and-thats-bad/

Wouldn't this just suggest that present EV adopters have different characteristics from the overall general ICE using public. As in many of the early adopters are affluent and may have multiple cars thus drive less miles. This would be similar to people who have tvs that are 85 inches or larger not watching as much tv on average. But that demographic would be inherently different from all who have tvs. This is just routine data science differences.

I would have been shocked if prevalent EV user use data was almost exactly that of prevalent ICE users.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

What you've been waiting for, Scotty gets his hands on a working Tesla .

I loves me some good Scotty in the morning but he really needs to think about Decaf. As usual valid points.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

I loves me some good Scotty in the morning but he really needs to think about Decaf. As usual valid points.

He tries to fit a foot into nine inches but nevertheless he's a good guy

[infinitekidM2C]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

That's hilarious but...

''Low build quality''

I honestly don't take this debate too seriously.
There's pros and cons for both cars. However, this is the infancy of ev cars and i'd be really hesitant to buy from anyone other than tesla, or a really good manufacturer (comparatively speaking) because of that. All of these videos shows that buying from any old manufacturer that spits out an ev is a bad idea.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by gblansten

Wouldn't this just suggest that present EV adopters have different characteristics from the overall general ICE using public.

I accept that my perspective is skewed by living in a university town but there are four groups of EV users.
1) Prius drivers who think they are saving the planet by doing jack rabbit starts at every red light. They are mostly students or towns folks.
2) EV drivers, mostly SUV, all high end. These are the early adopters and they wouldn't say a negative thing about EV's if theirs caught fire in the garage and burned their house and family dog down. Generally associated with the university and all ways a second or third car. Drive EV's because it the socially acceptable thing to do and a great talking point at gatherings where they need to appear to be good stewards of the planet whey they plan their next trip to Italy. This group keeps the local Mercedes, Audi and BMW lots full of EV SUV's in Black, Silver and White because they lack imagination and style.
3) EV drivers, Tesla's. Almost all students and ready to show any Prius owner their stop light superiority. The funny part of this group is their charging solutions, from leaving their EV's at a local convenience store overnight to extension cords running out of apartment complexes.
4) Last group is the non existent EV group. They are blue collar working people and they own one or two cars and none of them are EV's and never will be EV's.
5) Gblansten drivers just folks who love fast cars and don't care what they run on.