[HerkHealer]

Hello,

I'm glad I've found this because I really would like to know how "No Knock" warrants work. As a primer, my Dad was a Worcerster MA P.O. for 37 years, I served in the Military from 1988 to 2012. A shade over 24 years. I deployed in Desert Shield/Storm, Kosovo, OIF and OEF.

Do these "No Knock" Warrants require a Judges approval ?
Do the Police "now" ensure the Criminal they are looking for is actually inside the building ? This one really confused me on two incredibly high profile/media covered "No Knock" warrants where innocent people were killed and the suspect the Police were after was either already in Prison at the time or not in the same State.

Thanks in advance. I strongly support Law Enforcement.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by HerkHealer

Hello,

I'm glad I've found this because I really would like to know how "No Knock" warrants work. As a primer, my Dad was a Worcerster MA P.O. for 37 years, I served in the Military from 1988 to 2012. A shade over 24 years. I deployed in Desert Shield/Storm, Kosovo, OIF and OEF.

Do these "No Knock" Warrants require a Judges approval ?
Do the Police "now" ensure the Criminal they are looking for is actually inside the building ? This one really confused me on two incredibly high profile/media covered "No Knock" warrants where innocent people were killed and the suspect the Police were after was either already in Prison at the time or not in the same State.

Thanks in advance. I strongly support Law Enforcement.

All warrants are signed off by a magistrate. We use the best intel possible to ascertain the criminal's whereabouts, but there is no 100% fool proof method. These types of warrants are necessary. Do people think if we just knock at the door while introducing ourselves that the criminal(s) will just happily open the door and surrender?!?! I've never seen it.


P.S. I'm not sure which two incidents you're referring to. You'll have to inform me.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by ///d

Close friend of mine is a Mesa police officer. He was involved in a shooting last Jan. Dude was high af on meth, charged him with a metal framing square. Two taser shots and 4 bean bags didn't even phase the guy. My buddy ended up putting him down.

He keeps trying to talk me into moving down there and going to the academy. 10-15 years ago I would have been all about it, but I'm too old to start that type of career now.

People think less lethal means of apprehension are the end all, be all and firearms are unnecessary. The people who believe that are also the same people who think by watching MMA they suddenly know how to fight by proxy.



I'm glad your friend is okay. Nobody ever wants to be in a shooting. Aside from the potential emotional weight, the department takes your gun, sends you back to psychologist and often there are both criminal and internal investigations opened on the officer(s). The former takes months if the shooting is deemed a righteous shoot; longer if it isn't. The latter is at least a year long process on my department (…and I'm sure it's similar with other departments as well). The whole time you're wondering if you're still going to be employed when the dust settles. It's stressful as fuck!

[HerkHealer]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

All warrants are signed off by a magistrate. We use the best intel possible to ascertain the criminal's whereabouts, but there is no 100% fool proof method.

During the processing of a "No Knock" does the Magistrate ask if Officers have searched databases to see if the Subject is already imprisoned/incarcerated ?

It seems like a simple search, but I'm not sure if you all have that capability.
Do Jails/Prisons provide that information Nationwide to you ?

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by HerkHealer

During the processing of a "No Knock" does the Magistrate ask if Officers have searched databases to see if the Subject is already imprisoned/incarcerated ?

It seems like a simple search, but I'm not sure if you all have that capability.
Do Jails/Prisons provide that information Nationwide to you ?

We normally would check something like that (…usually somebody higher up on the ladder). I/we do not have nationwide access as line officers/deputies. I don't even have a way to check the state database. Usually an agency only has access to information in their jurisdiction. When I need to verify something, I have to call that county/agency, the probation/parole officer, etc.

[HerkHealer]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

We normally would check something like that (…usually somebody higher up on the ladder). I/we do not have nationwide access as line officers/deputies. I don't even have a way to check the state database. Usually an agency only has access to information in their jurisdiction. When I need to verify something, I have to call that county/agency, the probation/parole officer, etc.

Thank you. That is exactly how I thought it worked. Something needs to be changed with this process. We are now in the 21st Century for fucks sake. It would make life easier for Officers and approving officials.

I'm not saying that it needs to be on the FBI/CIA level, but Police Officers should have the ability to know if the suspect they are looking for is already behind bars somewhere. It seems like a no brainer to me......

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by HerkHealer

Thank you. That is exactly how I thought it worked. Something needs to be changed with this process. We are now in the 21st Century for fucks sake. It would make life easier for Officers and approving officials.

I'm not saying that it needs to be on the FBI/CIA level, but Police Officers should have the ability to know if the suspect they are looking for is already behind bars somewhere. It seems like a no brainer to me......

There are thousands of agencies/counties. It is just a logistical nightmare to coordinate that…….but I agree. I wish there was a way to access the information nationally.

[HerkHealer]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

There are thousands of agencies/counties. It is just a logistical nightmare to coordinate that…….but I agree. I wish there was a way father the information nationally.

I set up the first Tier One reachback system from Afghanistan to the Pentagon in 2007 so they could watch live Drone feeds.........it can be done!

Stay safe bud !

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by HerkHealer

I set up the first Tier One reachback system from Afghanistan to the Pentagon in 2007 so they could watch live Drone feeds.........it can be done!

Stay safe bud !

Even the drones get it wrong occasionally.

Will do bro!

[UncleWede]

Originally Posted by HerkHealer

Thank you. That is exactly how I thought it worked. Something needs to be changed with this process. We are now in the 21st Century for fucks sake. It would make life easier for Officers and approving officials.

I'm not saying that it needs to be on the FBI/CIA level, but Police Officers should have the ability to know if the suspect they are looking for is already behind bars somewhere. It seems like a no brainer to me......

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

There are thousands of agencies/counties. It is just a logistical nightmare to coordinate that…….but I agree. I wish there was a way father the information nationally.

https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/...1-2-1.pdf/view

217 pages! The price tag to move from a standard firewall to FIPS-40 compliant can be quite dauting, especially for those smaller organizations. We have access to a local County database, but getting info from a broader network is several other steps/login requirements. Certainly no such thing as single-signon in the CJIS network world.

[HerkHealer]

Originally Posted by UncleWede

https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/...1-2-1.pdf/view

217 pages! The price tag to move from a standard firewall to FIPS-40 compliant can be quite dauting, especially for those smaller organizations. We have access to a local County database, but getting info from a broader network is several other steps/login requirements. Certainly no such thing as single-signon in the CJIS network world.

I appreciate the complexity of the situation, but again, we're in the 21st Century Tech now. There is probably some kid from MIT who could solve this in a week or less. It is more than likely being held up by Politics and red tape bullshit.

[UncleWede]

Originally Posted by HerkHealer

I appreciate the complexity of the situation, but again, we're in the 21st Century Tech now. There is probably some kid from MIT who could solve this in a week or less. It is more than likely being held up by Politics and red tape bullshit.

FTFY

In my mind, CJIS (CRIMINAL justice information systems) implies criminals, who generally lose some/all of their rights. Should we spend all this extra time/money to protect their PII?

We are about to embark on this recent Cali (I think) boondogle that says we have to encrypt radio traffic because a criminal's PII might be broadcast and picked up by a scanner. Of course, all the agencies who currently monitor each others' radio traffic to provide mutual aid (and know when the high speed chase is approaching their jurisdiction) will have to spend even more $$$ to coordinate that monitoring. Your tax dollars, hardly at work.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by UncleWede

FTFY

In my mind, CJIS (CRIMINAL justice information systems) implies criminals, who generally lose some/all of their rights. Should we spend all this extra time/money to protect their PII?

We are about to embark on this recent Cali (I think) boondogle that says we have to encrypt radio traffic because a criminal's PII might be broadcast and picked up by a scanner. Of course, all the agencies who currently monitor each others' radio traffic to provide mutual aid (and know when the high speed chase is approaching their jurisdiction) will have to spend even more $$$ to coordinate that monitoring. Your tax dollars, hardly at work.

Excellent point(s)!

[vreihen16]

Do you remember your first day on the job after graduating from the academy? I'm sure that these two first-day NY State Troopers will! No fatalities, but two of the people in the accident (no names published or whether the were officers) were transported to the hospital.....

https://hudsonvalleypost.com/flying-...zmat-response/



That front ram bar really took a beating.....



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[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by vreihen16

Do you remember your first day on the job after graduating from the academy? I'm sure that these two first-day NY State Troopers will! No fatalities, but two of the people in the accident (no names published or whether the were officers) were transported to the hospital.....

I sure do. I can recall everything because it's over-stimulation and it gets etched into your psyche.

[///d]

Originally Posted by vreihen16

Do you remember your first day on the job after graduating from the academy? I'm sure that these two first-day NY State Troopers will! No fatalities, but two of the people in the accident (no names published or whether the were officers) were transported to the hospital.....

https://hudsonvalleypost.com/flying-...zmat-response/

That front ram bar really took a beating.....



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Thats a good real life reminder for those new troopies to not become complacent and always be aware of their surroundings and the situation.

The MN State Trooper Academy is held on the post where I work. It's entertaining to watch them go through hell. I do, however, get annoyed with how many troopers we have in MN. I can drive all the way across the country and I will see more troopers in MN alone than all other states combined. I'm never doing anything to be concerned about being stopped, but it's ridiculous how many we have on our highways.

[paquet]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

People think less lethal means of apprehension are the end all, be all and firearms are unnecessary. The people who believe that are also the same people who think by watching MMA they suddenly know how to fight by proxy.



I'm glad your friend is okay. Nobody ever wants to be in a shooting. Aside from the potential emotional weight, the department takes your gun, sends you back to psychologist and often there are both criminal and internal investigations opened on the officer(s). The former takes months if the shooting is deemed a righteous shoot; longer if it isn't. The latter is at least a year long process on my department (…and I'm sure it's similar with other departments as well). The whole time you're wondering if you're still going to be employed when the dust settles. It's stressful as fuck!

so much this. i agree with everything you say (even though i've never been in your shoes)
recently read of some incidents here - and the viewpoints from people were quite idealistic (unrealistic)

[///d]

Originally Posted by packet

so much this. i agree with everything you say (even though i've never been in your shoes)
recently read of some incidents here - and the viewpoints from people were quite idealistic (unrealistic)

Issue is, it's very easy to watch a video of an incident and say what you would have done, or what should have happened after the fact. Hindsight is 20/20.

I recall watching a video years ago about a police training facility and range that offered to put civilians through scenarios to see how they would react. Many of them immediately resorted to lethal force before any situational awareness was established or de-escalation was attempted. Every one of them said things happened so fast they didn't have time to think about how to react accordingly.

[Buug959]

What the hell is wrong with some people???

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by LemansE90335xi

What the hell is wrong with some people???

Society's moral compasses are non-existent now. I mean, we have parents willing to do gender reassignment on 5 year olds. It's fucking evil!

[Sedan_Clan]

My partner T/C'd today during a pursuit. Thankfully he wasn't injured badly. He was chasing a reckless DUI suspect.

[Buug959]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

My partner T/C'd today during a pursuit. Thankfully he wasn't injured badly. He was chasing a reckless DUI suspect.

Did he wreck the DUI or an innocent individual who just happened to get in the way?