[UPDATE] 2015: BMW M8, I8s, Z2, 9 series reportedly axed. i5 still on

Bosozoku · 05-01-2015, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by W///

I'd say the M2 is exactly that isn't it?

As for this article, how can you guys actually take these things as the absolute truth? You guys do know that they have no idea what they are talking about half the time right?

Bingo. No need to get your panties in a twist until the official BMW announcement. (If any.)

1wmb · 05-01-2015, 02:32 PM

On automobilmag they also they the 2 Series GT is cancelled. I didn´t know it was planned, thought it was a rumour.

chipotle_napkins · 05-01-2015, 03:26 PM

At first I was waiting to see how the M8 looked. But now I guess I'll go 991 GT3

cc3 · 05-01-2015, 03:34 PM

BMW coming to the reality that it is stretching itself too far and massive investment in i3 will take far longer than planned to give a payback due to lower sales. Can't believe they will cancel i8s given how successful i8 is and 100th anniversary coming

Dealer loaned me a 2 series active tourer (school run material) when my 1M was in for a service. It was pretty average with appalling visibility. Dead steering oh and front wheel drive - yuk. Might as well have been a Ford.

Fundguy1 · 05-01-2015, 03:57 PM

Got rid of the stuff I like and kept the stuff I don't. couldn't be a worse set of choices.

Meeni · 05-01-2015, 03:59 PM

I do not have the cash for any of these cars anyway, so not my problem. Except for the Z2, but wasn't it supposed to be FWD? If so, good riddance.

Fundguy1 · 05-01-2015, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Meeni

I do not have the cash for any of these cars anyway, so not my problem. Except for the Z2, but wasn't it supposed to be FWD? If so, good riddance.

True if fwd. Maybe it's going to do well in Europe but the I series sucks and I don't know why they keep dumping money into it. I have seen a total of 3 "i" cars on the street. I see more Lamborghini aventadors honestly. this includes both I8 and I3.

Pentium · 05-01-2015, 04:12 PM

I know this thing was all a speculation and talking but it's really annoying!

Canceling the M8? No 9 Series? No Z2 Roadster?

BMW i5 lives!

Who on earth gives a damn s*%# about new hybrid? added to all others retarded ideas of GT versions? a mini van? and front wheel drive 1 Series/2 Series coming?

And the same excuse every time, BMW is making money to feed the M cars...

I miss the olden days....

raysspl · 05-01-2015, 04:28 PM

The M8 needs to happen.

ron_jeremy · 05-01-2015, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by adamm3k

Terrible news. Nothing to look forward to. Hello Mercedes

Excellent idea.
Let's see what MB can offer you then.

X3paul · 05-01-2015, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeyBananaz18

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Originally Posted by Zebra99

I foresee brand changes from many enthusiasts

I won't change brands, but I will never buy a new BMW. The BMW brand that I fell in love with no longer exists. The only BMWs worth buying have already been produced.

And thats why I got a z4 M coup last year and looking for csl to join him this year. E46 I have to say is indeed bmw's finest hour. a bangle car btw

Matski · 05-01-2015, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by cc3

BMW coming to the reality that it is stretching itself too far and massive investment in i3 will take far longer than planned to give a payback due to lower sales. Can't believe they will cancel i8s given how successful i8 is and 100th anniversary coming

Hahahahahhahahah

Troll.

Any figures to back up your BS contradictory opinions?

SCOTT26 · 05-01-2015, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by YungDro

So there is work going on with the cars mentioned above? that means this rumour is not true..

Has BMW officially confirmed that they are working on these cars?
No.

phoenixbmwlife · 05-01-2015, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DCG

The i8s sounds very smart to produce, anything to make the i8 better and more sporty I say go for it!

An M8 super car sounds fine if BMW wants to have a super car, but will it sell. The other projects seem useless.

I say just make the existing cars better. And come up with "M xDrive" for all the M's.

Precisely!

YungDro · 05-01-2015, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ron_jeremy

Excellent idea.
Let's see what MB can offer you then.

YungDro · 05-01-2015, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Has BMW officially confirmed that they are working on these cars?
No.

In secret they could be

SCOTT26 · 05-01-2015, 08:12 PM

The 9 Series is the four door car that is expected to share a Carbon Core Passenger cell like the upcoming Rolls-Royce Phantom in an effort to spread the costs.
However a release date for such a car was proposed for 2018 1 year after the all new Phantom as both were also expected to share a similar plug-in hybrid using BMWs ePower turbo combining a six cylinder with electric drivetrain which is under the body of the Vision Future Luxury.
Although both would be adapted for the characteristics of both brands.

The Z2 is a mystery because the car shown later this year will be designated as the Z5 as BMW are going back to the roots of the Z models.
The idea is to follow the X models with your standard and then the even numbers for additional Coupe so in theory Z1-Z2 just like X5-X6.
The issue is that the Roadster market is in free fall. But all resources are on getting the MINI version to production.

We will still see the i8 based concept in 2016.

The i5 is still a car destined to continue the BMWi philosophy. Electrifying a standard drivetrain destroys the "Born Electric" strategy of BMWi where a lot of time and capital has been invested to provide something our competitors do not have an answer for. As I said the i5 will be shown as a two stage concept over the next 4 years with one dubbed Vision EfficientDynamics #2 to showcase the concept vision followed by another to showcase production similarities. Someone from BMWi has already made official comment on the arrival by 2020. Not 2018.

Automobile just recently wrote a piece in regards to the next generation of 3er which was totally slanted to represent the American market view but failed to recognise global expectations and neglect opinion of models that might not work in the US but are successful for other markets.

JoeyBananaz18 · 05-01-2015, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by X3paul

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Originally Posted by JoeyBananaz18

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Originally Posted by Zebra99

I foresee brand changes from many enthusiasts

I won't change brands, but I will never buy a new BMW. The BMW brand that I fell in love with no longer exists. The only BMWs worth buying have already been produced.

And thats why I got a z4 M coup last year and looking for csl to join him this year. E46 I have to say is indeed bmw's finest hour. a bangle car btw

Truth brotha. You speak it. My e92 is out the door to find my wedding but I still have my late grandfathers e39 528 and let me tell you. I feel like royalty driving it. Can't say I'd feel the same in anything they make today, aside from a RR. But that's not exactly a BMW then is it?

JoeyBananaz18 · 05-01-2015, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ron_jeremy

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Originally Posted by adamm3k

Terrible news. Nothing to look forward to. Hello Mercedes

Excellent idea.
Let's see what MB can offer you then.

Actually if I was to switch German brands it would definitely to MB. An e30 and e63 wagon is my perfect garage.

M ETT · 05-02-2015, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by NickyC

I'm already there, Z4M will be the least BMW for me unless something changes.

+1, the 1M was the last BMW that stirred any emotions for me.
I looked hard and long at the BMW line up, but at the end of the day I went for the F-type Jag. Still have the F30 as a DD.
Pretty sad though BMW = mainstream DD, <Another Brand> = enthusiasm

Alpine F31 · 05-02-2015, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by E92LNGCGY

It is unfortunate that a company with the slogan (or did) "Ultimate Driving Machine" does not produce an exciting car. I understand making mass market cars but where's all the fun cars?

Blanket statement.
My M235i is brilliant to drive. It's quick, it has neutral handling, it sounds amazing and it has a 6 speed manual. It's a proper BMW. Hopefully, more products like this are coming down the pipe.

FilipMPower · 05-02-2015, 04:46 AM

I thought about this. And I defend BMW with everything. I owned Bimmers since I have my license. But the company has really turned into a mess. way too many models, way too many niches filled. Who in their right mind buys a GT or the active tourer and thinks he is driving the ultimate driving machine. And people can talk good things about the M divison and the m235i, and yet it isn't as refined as BMW used to be. Yes, the M6 is better than the competition, but I still am not really satisfied with it. Its too heavy, rolls too much in corners... It kills in the straight, but if I want a car like that, Id buy an audi. All these FWD vans to fund the M division? So that the M division cam build more 2 ton cars? AWD? Recycled engines? Where is the halo car? Where are the moster kicks when you shift the DCT, like with the SMG? Where is the sound? BMW should build cars which compete with porsche, not mercedes and audi, which are duller. Make the 7-series compete with the panamera. The X line with cayenne and macan. The 3 and 5 series must set sport car benchmarks for sedans. Hell, BMW might sell less, but is it really all about profit? Is it not about making a point? 1,3,5,6,7 and x3,x5,x6 is all that bmw needs.

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