Who out there misses a raw car feel or still owns one?

SunnyD · 06-08-2018, 05:37 PM

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gonzo · 06-08-2018, 05:37 PM

Waaaaay back when...my little white 320i with crank windows and sunroof. Best 'feeling' BMW I've had. Hands down.

xQx · 06-08-2018, 09:03 PM

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one for sale in all of Australia. Second hand for $150k.

... and I'd literally give my left nut to have it.

Never_Enough · 06-08-2018, 09:14 PM

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Don't be pedantic. I mean, a GT350 isn't raw compared to an Allard or a Bugatti 31. You know what he meant.

Sir, the new GT350 is not raw in any way. That's a fact.

Red Bread · 06-08-2018, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Never_Enough

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Originally Posted by Red Bread

Don't be pedantic. I mean, a GT350 isn't raw compared to an Allard or a Bugatti 31. You know what he meant.

Sir, the new GT350 is not raw in any way. That's a fact.

Okay, than neither is your Miata. And I'll just assume that you haven't actually driven a GT350.
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Never_Enough · 06-08-2018, 11:22 PM

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Okay, than neither is your Miata. And I'll just assume that you haven't actually driven a GT350.
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10" · 06-08-2018, 11:39 PM

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I don't disagree wholly, but.... there is something about electric steering rack implementation that plays into it. I don't think you'd find anyone complaining about the S2000 and it's steering and that car has an electric rack.

i never liked the S2000s steering at all...have driven several. it's 'fast' but totally lifeless in terms of feel. Lots of S2000 owners say it's the worst part about them...

1MOREMOD · 06-08-2018, 11:40 PM

I have an e46 track car that weighs 2925

maniz · 06-09-2018, 03:09 AM

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What a beauty!

eatsleepboost · 06-09-2018, 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by 1MOREMOD

I have an e46 track car that weighs 2925

When I think of raw feeling cars I also tend to think light weight. Heavy cars that are loaded with power seats, interior accessories, sound deadening, etc loose that connection with the road. For a raw car I want no more than 3200 lbs with a throttle cable, hydrolic steering rack, and a manual trans with a clutch that grabs hard.

Ali Shiralian · 06-09-2018, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by eatsleepboost

When I think of raw feeling cars I also tend to think light weight. Heavy cars that are loaded with power seats, interior accessories, sound deadening, etc loose that connection with the road. For a raw car I want no more than 3200 lbs with a throttle cable, hydrolic steering rack, and a manual trans with a clutch that grabs hard.

Sounds like you're describing an NA Miata

Bt12 · 06-09-2018, 08:36 AM

I miss my RR bikes.

protecon · 06-09-2018, 08:54 AM

Had a 1970 Mini round nose - was a Cooper S replica built on the Australian-delivered Mini K chassis with a Minor 1278 fitted, bored out to 1330 with a giant carb on it. Nothing like the sound of that induction literally inches away from you.

Have a 1997 Skyline with the RB25DET - ended up throwing a top-mount, T67 and Greddy intake on it to make a lazy 400 at the wheels at 17. Drive it every now and then just for some manual transmission, brutal boost in 3rd, and annoying people with external gate. Still ranks #1 most likely to kill me of my cars.

SuckaGDog · 06-09-2018, 10:42 AM

I love my C63 Black Series. The ride is pretty harsh to some, but I love it. The tail end is extremely happy with the traction control off. You have to be on top of your game when you drive it. Probably one of the most modern raw experiences you can get from the skunkworks at AMG. Just my own opinion.

eatsleepboost · 06-09-2018, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Ali Shiralian

Sounds like you're describing an NA Miata

I said under 3200lbs. There are many cars in that category. A Miata is more like 2400. Much less than the 3200 I stated.

430409M2 · 06-09-2018, 10:51 AM

Do we want raw and fast? Just a little mountain pass car. I had a '91 318is and that was such a beautiful car. No power, but it weight all of 2626-ish pounds and had only what it needed. Add on some h&r sport springs and billies and you have a smile machine for under 5k.. depeneding on what you find going for.

eatsleepboost · 06-09-2018, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by protecon

Have a 1997 Skyline with the RB25DET - ended up throwing a top-mount, T67 and Greddy intake on it to make a lazy 400 at the wheels at 17

Man I love this car and that setup. I had a greddy t67 years ago too.

M2,
Raw and fast certainly don't have to be linked but when I think about cars I personally like they are all fast ones. I'm sure there are other fun cars with less hp that are certainly a bit of work to drive and can be fun.

Mr Carrots · 06-09-2018, 12:58 PM

this was the rawest car I ever drove, can't really say I miss it much though

MagnusT · 06-09-2018, 01:21 PM

The E46 M3 isn't raw in my book. But as others already stated it's all relative. A is more raw than B that is more raw than C, but A may still not be very raw. Depending on where you are and your references.

An M3 CSL is pretty raw but not really all-in raw. But jump from the CSL to the non CSL M3 and wow the later is a soft car. Great engine! But quiet, comfy... soft. Nothing you can't fix though.

1MOREMOD · 06-09-2018, 02:35 PM

Your talking out your ass my e46 track car would make the csl seem like a Cadillac

Never_Enough · 06-09-2018, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by SuckaGDog

I love my C63 Black Series. The ride is pretty harsh to some, but I love it. The tail end is extremely happy with the traction control off. You have to be on top of your game when you drive it. Probably one of the most modern raw experiences you can get from the skunkworks at AMG. Just my own opinion.

Man, some of you have never driven a truly raw car with some of the modern cars you're calling raw.

Not knocking your car at all, but raw it is not.

XMetal · 06-09-2018, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Never_Enough

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Originally Posted by SuckaGDog

I love my C63 Black Series. The ride is pretty harsh to some, but I love it. The tail end is extremely happy with the traction control off. You have to be on top of your game when you drive it. Probably one of the most modern raw experiences you can get from the skunkworks at AMG. Just my own opinion.

Man, some of you have never driven a truly raw car with some of the modern cars you're calling raw.

Not knocking your car at all, but raw it is not.

I guessed some people think stiff suspension = raw?

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