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Porsche started out as a general engineering firm (designed the beetle, but also tanks etc), and after ww2 started to make the 356. A light little sportscar not initially intended to race. Ferrari started as a racing team and started to make sportscars to fund their racing endeavours. (similar to bugatti back in the days) And mercedes is so old....they invented racing as they invented about everything on car aspects. Its just that they build so many types of cars and trucks and etc etc that its more considered mainstream. But also at Mercedes the racing history and dna is there. There's just an aweful lot of dna. Mercedes withdrew from racing for a long time because of a huge accident, right about the same time that porsche only started to make cars. So timelines are a bit distorted if you look at it that way. The 60 year or so racing pedigree that porsche has now, mercedes already had when porsche started so to speak.
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Yes Ferdinand Porsche worked for mercedes, auto union, nsu and a load of others. He was a very famous engineer. (however mercedes already had purpose build racecars before Porsche started to work there)
However this is the father of Ferry Porsche. Dont know for sure but I think Ferry designed the 356? Porsche is I think a very old and rich family historically (so industrialists even before Ferdinand Porsche)
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Let me put it this way: someone here said he playes devils advocate for a living (whatever that may be). I'm not like that. I'm an engineer in heart and soul (and in living ). When a new porsche comes out, everyone goes and see how it looks. body and interior. Not me, I'm mostly interested in how it looks on the underside (sometimes I feel I'm alone on that, especially here on bimmerpost). And in that regard the 911 and 718 are very interesting, and the Macan, Cayenne and Panamerea are utterly uninteresting (or at least not more or less interesting than say a VW touareg or audi Q5). And those last 3 cars are porsches bread and butter (that is a fact). So most cars porsche makes nowadays are totally unintereresting in my eyes. I think the big difference is that I look with a different eye at cars than you do. And going back to my initial post (in the comparison between porsche and ferrari): ferrari only makes interesting cars
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I'm fine with anyone who says they find Ferrari more interesting than Porsche, but shouldn't that be another thread? Along with whatever this argument has devolved into what constitutes a "true" sports car...
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You're probably right
I think the AMG GT is very similar to a corvette (technically). Front-mid V8, dual wishbone all around, transaxle gearbox. But when talking about 911 competitors, the corvette is hardly ever mentioned I think? Is that because of the price difference or that its not german?
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There is also soul - something the new 911's don't offer.
I have a 991.2 gt3 with a straight pipe exhaust, I can tell you there is no car that can deliver the excitement it provide. That glorious 4.0. Cup derived engine, that revs to 9k rpm, coupled with my straight pipe exhaust, it’s like I’m driving a cup car on the street. If you don’t think a 991 have soul, try a 991.1 gts for non gt cars, and if you do get the opportunity to test out the gt3, that would change your mind. |
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There is also soul - something the new 911's don't offer. I have a 991.2 gt3 with a straight pipe exhaust, I can tell you there is no car that can deliver the excitement it provide. That glorious 4.0. Cup derived engine, that revs to 9k rpm, coupled with my straight pipe exhaust, it’s like I’m driving a cup car on the street. If you don’t think a 991 have soul, try a 991.1 gts for non gt cars, and if you do get the opportunity to test out the gt3, that would change your mind. |
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that's what I've been saying.
And of course they do it for the money. Porsche is very profitable as a brand/company; their profit margin ratio is for example much higher than that of BMW or Mercedes.
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LOL at thinking Porsche cares at all about what Mercedes is doing...they literally give 0 shits.
I don't even like Porsches, especially everything after the 997 but Porsche buyers aren't running to get an MB.
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Maybe 911 buyers arent (although I stand by my opinion that AMG GT owners probably have owned a 911 or two in their life), but I'm pretty sure that MB GLC/GLE coupe cars (the higher specced ones) are competing with the Macans etc.
And that means competing with porsches most profitable segment. Still porsche seems to be doing all right judging by their annual corporate figures If you look at the sales nubers 911 versus amg gt, for the US thats 8,970 vs 1,609 (so mercedes took 15% of that combined total market potential) and for europe thats 15,053 vs 2,443 (so Mercedes took 14% of that total market potential). As far as GLC coupe versus Macan I couldnt find US data for the GLC coupe specificly (its all GLC and that of cours hugely outsells the macan), but in europe (for 2017) the sales figures for GLC coupe (since its recent launch) are very very close to the macan (26,555 macan versus 27,385 GLC coupe) so there is a big big fight going on in that segment. Sales are virtually the same on 2 cars competing in the same segment, starting around at the same base price (47300 (glc coupe us price) versus 47800 for the base macan). But I'm sure options for porsche are more expensive so there porsche can make some extra money, and of course they get the el cheapo platforms from volkswagen so that also saves them a tonne of money. But as far as sales goes, porsche has their hands full with the recent merc GLC as it directly rivals and outsells their best selling product. I'm eager to see what the coming audi Q6 is going to do. That will also become a competative car to the macan (well, its of course the same car). But thats typical VAG strategic planning. Flood a (nice) market segment with as many models as possible from different brands in your own corporate holding (brands like hyundai/kia do the same of course)
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Brand management and brand loyalty will dictate a lot of this. I for one would not be opposed to having a Mercedes in the garage. But for now the idea of a weekender or sports car is Porsche not Merc.
Mercedes does plenty of things well but the look, feel, appeal, and desire for a Porsche is not something easily taken away. If Porsche ends up with some ugly/poor performing cars then other companies may catch them (if only during for that generation) so far though they've been doing it right again and again..... and again. I hope to be back in a 911 soon myself .
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911s offer a driver experience I don’t think any other car offers or matches - that is why I think most people buy them including me. The other stuff is just icing on the cake as they say. |
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