[GoneIn4Secs]

Car looks fine i dont see what the big deal is

[taek]

Originally Posted by jmack

I'd like to see a 450hp+ Stinger GT-N to go against the RS5 Sportback and M3.

We won't be seeing that or any Stinger, the line has been killed.
Factory will instead be used to make electrified Carnival minivans.
Done after 2022.

[TheWatchGuy]

Originally Posted by taek

We won't be seeing that or any Stinger, the line has been killed.
Factory will instead be used to make electrified Carnival minivans.
Done after 2022.

fwiw, they are just saying the current stinger is done after 2022. No announcement on if they are cancelling the model or doing a next gen.

With Kia/hyundai starting to lay out plans for hybrids and EVs, wouldnt surprise me if they do a next gen stinger with either of those. Theyve got the EV6 GT with a 550+ HP Electric motor coming out in 2022. Wouldnt surprise me if they did a sedan as well based off the stinger platform.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by taek

We won't be seeing that or any Stinger, the line has been killed.
Factory will instead be used to make electrified Carnival minivans.
Done after 2022.

It should be noted that the source for that article is sketchy at the best. The original article is purported to be the leaked production schedule from the factory, but the original article was riddled with errors. This has been picked up by more than a few other journalists, but the original source appears to be the same and the more reputable ones are awaiting confirmation from Kia, rather than taking it for granted. In this day, with people buying trucks and SUVs like crack cocaine, I would not be surprised, but apparently the original source for this is sketchy at best. Also, not the first time the rumor has been out there. Same thing for the 2022 model year, it was "supposed to be axed" a few times previously...

[stein_325i]

[stein_325i]

Hyundai Announces 2022 Elantra N Pricing

Originally Posted by Hyundai Media Center

FOUNTAIN VALLEY, Calif., Dec. 1, 2021 – Hyundai has announced pricing for the all-new 2022 Elantra N, offered fully-equipped at $32,925 with manual transmission and $34,425 with 8-speed dual-clutch transmission, each including a $1,025 destination charge. Elantra N adds a high-performance variant to the standard model with strong dynamic driving capabilities and aggressive design elements.

[fiveohwblow]

Pricing still seems steep for the actual car, quality and target market. After TTL in most states you’re at or over 40k.

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by fiveohwblow

Pricing still seems steep for the actual car, quality and target market. After TTL in most states you’re at or over 40k.

I think the current avg new car price is something like $36k now. Everything but bargin basement economy cars (of which there are few) are really expensive.

Which is why so many people have 84 month loans.

[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox

I think the current avg new car price is something like $36k now. Everything but bargin basement economy cars (of which there are few) are really expensive.

Which is why so many people have 84 month loans.

It's over $45k, before ttl. Talking about car prices with ttl is silly, as we all have different rates and in most states, if you're trading in you only pay tax on the delta anyway.

https://www.forbes.com/wheels/news/n...s-45000/%3Famp

Not to mention you'd be paying nearly 20% tax to get one of these over $40k.

[fiveohwblow]

Originally Posted by Red Bread

It's over $45k, before ttl. Talking about car prices with ttl is silly, as we all have different rates and in most states, if you're trading in you only pay tax on the delta anyway.

https://www.forbes.com/wheels/news/n...s-45000/%3Famp

Not to mention you'd be paying nearly 20% tax to get one of these over $40k.

Do you have different pricing than in the OP? Silly to talk ttl? How so given it comes out of the pocket all the same and increases the amount paid or financed?

Also, your link is broken.

[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by fiveohwblow

Do you have different pricing than in the OP? Silly to talk ttl? How so given it comes out of the pocket all the same and increases the amount paid or financed?

Also, your link is broken.

Five states have no sales tax. Many are around 3-4% and then there are a bunch around 6-8%. Different states tax leases based on payments or sale price, creating a huge variance. Add in the value of a trade in and it gets even murkier. It's so much easier to just discuss the price paid for the car and ignore tt&l. People also pay stupid closing costs at dealers, or a markup, a price for stupid sealants and seat treatments, tire insurance, etc. It's just so much easier to say the window sticker was $33k and I got it for $31.5k. My city has additional tax that people three miles south of me don't pay. But either way, none of them will get a $34k car to $40k.

And google the 2021 average new car price, it's $45,0xx. I saw Forbes, CNET and Edmunds all listed the same number.

[fiveohwblow]

Originally Posted by Red Bread

Five states have no sales tax. Many are around 3-4% and then there are a bunch around 6-8%. Different states tax leases based on payments or sale price, creating a huge variance. Add in the value of a trade in and it gets even murkier. It's so much easier to just discuss the price paid for the car and ignore tt&l. People also pay stupid closing costs at dealers, or a markup, a price for stupid sealants and seat treatments, tire insurance, etc. It's just so much easier to say the window sticker was $33k and I got it for $31.5k. My city has additional tax that people three miles south of me don't pay. But either way, none of them will get a $34k car to $40k.

And google the 2021 average new car price, it's $45,0xx. I saw Forbes, CNET and Edmunds all listed the same number.

I see where you were coming from, and your $45k was average not related to the N, that’s where I was really confused. Given 80+% of states have some form or theft also known as taxes it’s a fair assessment it will be at or around 40k and my point still stands, albeit vague. That’s a far cry from an Elantra 5 years ago even. Take the Elantra sport which was top of line bierman inspired, it was a 22k car.

[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by fiveohwblow

I see where you were coming from, and your $45k was average not related to the N, that's where I was really confused. Given 80+% of states have some form or theft also known as taxes it's a fair assessment it will be at or around 40k and my point still stands, albeit vague. That's a far cry from an Elantra 5 years ago even. Take the Elantra sport which was top of line bierman inspired, it was a 22k car.

Yes, I was responding to the previous post that mentioned average car price, it's $45k.

And even the highest state still doesn't get a $34k Elantra N to $40k out the door. I don't know where you're getting that. There are literally zero options available. It's $34k with a manual and $35k with a DSG. So $38k maximum if you live in Nevada.

I don't think it's a new thing for an Elantra to be in the low to mid $30k range. It is a new thing for it to have 276hp, a limited slip and adjustable shocks. Is there a competitor that has either of those last two? The GLI comes close, but it's down 50hp.

You can still get a $20k Elantra, but this obviously not that car. In the same way that an M3 is not a 330i.

[fiveohwblow]

Originally Posted by Red Bread

Yes, I was responding to the previous post that mentioned average car price, it's $45k.

And even the highest state still doesn't get a $34k Elantra N to $40k out the door. I don't know where you're getting that. There are literally zero options available. It's $34k with a manual and $35k with a DSG. So $38k maximum if you live in Nevada.

I don't think it's a new thing for an Elantra to be in the low to mid $30k range. It is a new thing for it to have 276hp, a limited slip and adjustable shocks. Is there a competitor that has either of those last two? The GLI comes close, but it's down 50hp.

You can still get a $20k Elantra, but this obviously not that car. In the same way that an M3 is not a 330i.

Are you intimately familiar with this cars predecessor, at all? It was the Elantra sport. It sported a slightly over 200 hp turbo 4, sport suspension, wheels, exterior body, steering wheel, seats….. even a dct if so optioned. It could be had in 2018 for 19. 19. So, by your account, an 82.24% increase in three short years for a Hp bump is worth it. You hiring?

[freakystyly]

That's like comparing a civic SI to a type R..

And yes they are fairly close competition.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by fiveohwblow

Are you intimately familiar with this cars predecessor, at all? It was the Elantra sport. It sported a slightly over 200 hp turbo 4, sport suspension, wheels, exterior body, steering wheel, seats….. even a dct if so optioned. It could be had in 2018 for 19. 19. So, by your account, an 82.24% increase in three short years for a Hp bump is worth it. You hiring?

I believe the Hyundai Elantra N-Line is the direct successor to the Sport, not the full on N. The N-Line has a ~$24k starting point.

[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by fiveohwblow

Are you intimately familiar with this cars predecessor, at all? It was the Elantra sport. It sported a slightly over 200 hp turbo 4, sport suspension, wheels, exterior body, steering wheel, seats….. even a dct if so optioned. It could be had in 2018 for 19. 19. So, by your account, an 82.24% increase in three short years for a Hp bump is worth it. You hiring?

Have you driven an M car vs a non? I've owned both and feel the value is justified. I've also driven a regular Veloster and an N and would gladly pay the differential. Good cars are good cars. Cheap cars are cheap cars. Sometimes they even overlap. I drive GTI because it's value and it's entertainment overlap at a sweet spot for me. I really don't know what a similarly equipped Golf would have cost.

I think it's safe to say that the old Sport Elantra with no Biermann input and the current N drive nothing alike.

[fiveohwblow]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

I believe the Hyundai Elantra N-Line is the direct successor to the Sport, not the full on N. The N-Line has a ~$24k starting point.

That’s what the marketing department would like you to believe. As someone tacitly familiar with all BUT the new n, I am inclined to disagree. The new n line is a churched up standard. The former sport to the new n is a closer matchup.

[fiveohwblow]

Originally Posted by Red Bread

Have you driven an M car vs a non? I've owned both and feel the value is justified. I've also driven a regular Veloster and an N and would gladly pay the differential. Good cars are good cars. Cheap cars are cheap cars. Sometimes they even overlap. I drive GTI because it's value and it's entertainment overlap at a sweet spot for me. I really don't know what a similarly equipped Golf would have cost.

I think it's safe to say that the old Sport Elantra with no Biermann input and the current N drive nothing alike.

May have driven an m car or two. May own a few now.

As for the sport, it was absolutely a Bierman project. It had irs, dct and the tuning it did directly because of him.

The point i was making has been lost on this silly argument that has come full circle. I agree the price point has to cross at the apex of value and entertainment to money invested. I stand by the increase for value provided is too steep to attract the same target market. Will they find a new market? Maybe. With the average price of new cars where it’s at most new buyers don’t have much of a choice when it comes to “sports sedans” and the like. I’m not that market, but by many defending its price point and or petitioning my posts, maybe you are. Enjoy the n.

[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by fiveohwblow

May have driven an m car or two. May own a few now.

As for the sport, it was absolutely a Bierman project. It had irs, dct and the tuning it did directly because of him.

The point i was making has been lost on this silly argument that has come full circle. I agree the price point has to cross at the apex of value and entertainment to money invested. I stand by the increase for value provided is too steep to attract the same target market. Will they find a new market? Maybe. With the average price of new cars where it's at most new buyers don't have much of a choice when it comes to "sports sedans" and the like. I'm not that market, but by many defending its price point and or petitioning my posts, maybe you are. Enjoy the n.

I have no interest in an Elantra. I just know they're not $40k.

[Germanauto]

On the one hand I have to give props to Hyundai for producing a car like this in a day and age where people really don't value such cars.

But on the flip side, I have to wonder who the target buyer is for this car? It seems like such a niche product that I won't be surprised if in a couple years we hear about it being killed off. Hyundai does not have the brand following that say VW or Honda does which allows the latter brands to get away with niche cars like the GTI/R and Civic Type R.

[JPM-3]

This isn't that difficult to see where the value is coming from. At mid-30k MSRP with a 10-year limited warranty and free maintenance over 3 years, these N cars are bargains.