[Germanauto]

Any potential downsides to this? I think some mentioned that it would make mornings darker?

Personally I'd take that trade off. Darker mornings for more sunshine after work. A lot of us leave for work anyway when it's sort of dark out as it is, then end up leaving work after sunset again. I hate DL savings time.

[ezaircon4jc]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

Any potential downsides to this? I think some mentioned that it would make mornings darker?

Personally I'd take that trade off. Darker mornings for more sunshine after work. A lot of us leave for work anyway when it's sort of dark out as it is, then end up leaving work after sunset again. I hate DL savings time.

More about kids going to school in the dark. More than just a few walk to school.

[Germanauto]

Originally Posted by ezaircon4jc

More about kids going to school in the dark. More than just a few walk to school.

Good point

[dreamingat30fps]

Originally Posted by ezaircon4jc

More about kids going to school in the dark. More than just a few walk to school.

When I was a kid I had to walk to school in the dark, uphill, in the snow, with no shoes! Fuck those little fuckers!

[DocL]

Originally Posted by dreamingat30fps

When I was a kid I had to walk to school in the dark, uphill, in the snow, with no shoes! Fuck those little fuckers!

At least it wasn't uphill on the walk home too. My grandparents walked both ways uphill.

[RickFLM4]

Switching to permanent DST means we are shifting time zones (making current Eastern time into Central time), which IMO makes no sense. Either kill DST and leave it as standard time all the time, or leave it as is with changing clocks 2 times a year. People think keeping DST is a great idea when they just lost an hour of sleep / hate changing clocks and it's lighter out later but don't think about the dark mornings of winter that would accompany a permanent clock shift. This is all for something that doesn't actually change the number of sunlight hours. No need for legislators to hash through this every time we change clocks.

[ezaircon4jc]

Originally Posted by RickFLM4

..This is all for something that doesn't actually change the number of sunlight hours. No need for legislators to hash through this every time we change clocks.

I laugh at all the discussion that changing to DST equates to more sunlight. It's just a time shift!

When we lived in SLC in the early 80's, Spring brought some unusually warm temps and the past winter's snow was melting quicker than normal; so much so that part of some streets were sandbagged-off to create little rivers. Along came DST with the usual hype about "more sunshine." One of my co-workers had a lot of fun with that, to the point of contacting a local radio station explaining (with graphs, no less!) that the "extra" hour of sunlight will melt more snow making the runoff and subsequent minor flooding even worse! He strung them along for a week or so before he could no longer keep a straight face! 'Twas priceless!

[DocL]

How will go over with the flat earthers?

[vreihen16]

Originally Posted by DocL

How will go over with the flat earthers?

Their clocks are already set back...to the 13th century.....

[M-technik-3]

Move the clock thirty minutes in fall back and leave right there problem solved.

[unluky]

If this passes, I predict this post will be resurrected in about a year with people complaining that it was done. LOL

As others have stated, when people get a good taste of sunrises at 9:00 a.m. they're going to hate it.

I never understood why changing your clocks an hour was such a huge deal. To get the extra Sun time in the summer it was always worth it to me. I love being able to come home after work and mow my yard and do some projects with the sun still up. A twice a year slight inconvenience was well worth that.

I stay up 2 to 3 hours later on the weekends than I do during the week, so a 1 hour time change doesn't affect me in the slightest. I know that's not true of other people, but 1 hour just does not seem that big of a deal to me. I think a 9:00 a.m. sunrise would bother me more than a 1 hour time change. LOL

Clearly when we did it last time everybody hated it. I guess we'll have to see how the new generation fares.

[dreamingat30fps]

Originally Posted by unluky

If this passes, I predict this post will be resurrected in about a year with people complaining that it was done. LOL

As others have stated, when people get a good taste of sunrises at 9:00 a.m. they're going to hate it.

I never understood why changing your clocks an hour was such a huge deal. To get the extra Sun time in the summer it was always worth it to me. I love being able to come home after work and mow my yard and do some projects with the sun still up. A twice a year slight inconvenience was well worth that.

I stay up 2 to 3 hours later on the weekends than I do during the week, so a 1 hour time change doesn't affect me in the slightest. I know that's not true of other people, but 1 hour just does not seem that big of a deal to me. I think a 9:00 a.m. sunrise would bother me more than a 1 hour time change. LOL

Clearly when we did it last time everybody hated it. I guess we'll have to see how the new generation fares.

I don’t think most people hate it because they have to change the clock… I mean most clocks change themselves these days and me personally I don’t even notice the change when it happens. What I do hate is when it get’s dark at 5pm! On the other hand anything that happens before 9-10am is of no concern to me.

[cmyx6go]

unluky As much as I love it being light out until close to 9pm, you do bring up a valid point. I just looked at sunrise and sunset times for Nov, Dec and Jan in my area. The latest sunrise shows 7:31am sometime in Jan, so it would be 8:31am. And it stays there awhile as the sunset time changes a minute a day. The earliest sunset is about 4:29 so we’d only get to 5:30 at best.

My issue isn’t so much the change itself, it doesn’t take long for my body clock to adjust. I just hate when it gets dark so early. I can’t imagine living in Alaska. Wasn’t there a movie years ago about a detective that went batshit crazy due to the short amount of daylight there in the winter? I think it was Al Pacino

EDIT. I have it backwards. They have more daylight in summer. He couldn’t sleep. I screwed that one up. Oh well.

[cmyx6go]

Talk about extremes. I just looked at Alaska. How do people live there? 22 hours of daylight in June and less than 6 hours on Dec 20th. Damn.

[Turkish Pickle]

I'm down for whichever time means the sun is up by 7am; 4pm sunset is acceptable, not waking up with the sun before 8am is not

[vreihen16]

Originally Posted by cmyx6go

unluky As much as I love it being light out until close to 9pm, you do bring up a valid point. I just looked at sunrise and sunset times for Nov, Dec and Jan in my area. The latest sunrise shows 7:31am sometime in Jan, so it would be 8:31am. And it stays there awhile as the sunset time changes a minute a day. The earliest sunset is about 4:29 so we’d only get to 5:30 at best.

As I said above, there is no way to legislate a DST time "fix" that applies to every location in the country year-round. Leave the clocks alone, and let each locality adjust their work/school schedules by the season for whatever works best in their area.

Personally, I would take it to the next level and just use UTC time globally. Having clock time be the same around the world would make air travel schedules a whole lot simpler for one thing. There would be a brief pain like switching to metric, but we'll all be better off in the long run.....

[ezaircon4jc]

Originally Posted by vreihen16

... Having clock time be the same around the world would make air travel schedules a whole lot simpler for one thing.....

They already use UTC; at least in the system. Conversion to local time is done, well, locally.

[Onizukachan]

I’d vote for permanent standard time, but I don’t want to be central time, central time is eastern, eastern is Atlantic and poor pacific becomes mountain year round.

[e90335e36m3]

Don't care one way or the other. The only thing I care about is something so trivial getting such attention when the politicians are not addressing much more important matters.

[rebekahb]

Originally Posted by e90335e36m3

The only thing I care about is something so trivial getting such attention when the politicians are not addressing much more important matters.

This is standard operating procedure for politicians.