[NFS13]

Originally Posted by footie

Not high, just someone who might know a little more about these cars than you.

Handling is somewhat subjective, but in this case a base A5 ( without "S" suspension ) is nowhere close to being as tight and crisp as an S5. And your comment on knowing a little more about cars is also kind of inane since you don't know me from Adam. Dude, just because your work for Audi doesn't make you the know it all. Try not to hurt yourself if you decide to climb down off the high horse you're on.

[NFS13]

Originally Posted by Ti335

Since S-line and S5 have essentially the same suspension setup and the former is 300 lbs lighter, how can it not handle better?

And "certified" still means used, last time I checked...

I meant why not go certified S5 instead of new A5 with the expensive "S" packages? You also get more standard options with the S5 over a preminum plus A5.

Wait, lets see if Footie chimes in on this one too!

[Da_Meister_22]

BMW to AUDI no way, they're too slow. How about you get an MB C63 AMG..lol.

[footie]

Originally Posted by NFS13

Handling is somewhat subjective, but in this case a base A5 ( without "S" suspension ) is nowhere close to being as tight and crisp as an S5. And your comment on knowing a little more about cars is also kind of inane since you don't know me from Adam. Dude, just because your work for Audi doesn't make you the know it all. Try not to hurt yourself if you decide to climb down off the high horse you're on.

Well since we were talking about the car that Ti335 had purchased which has S-Line suspension and as such it is slightly sweeter to steer and throw about that the S5.

What you think I may do for Audi isn't the important thing, all thatwe needed to be known is that your disagreement with this fact shows you don't know as much about Audis as you thought.

[NFS13]

Originally Posted by footie

Well since we were talking about the car that Ti335 had purchased which has S-Line suspension and as such it is slightly sweeter to steer and throw about that the S5.

What you think I may do for Audi isn't the important thing, all thatwe needed to be known is that your disagreement with this fact shows you don't know as much about Audis as you thought.

What?

[harbour456]

Thought I'd just chime in here... Over the past few years I've been all over the map with planning my next car purchase after my 2006 330i: Thought about a 335, GTI, used M3 and finally ended up with a 2010 Audi S4. I will state right off the top that I am not wedded to any one brand but rather love cars in all their variety... absolutely loved the E90 330i as I did it's predecessor, a modified Subaru WRX. My present home has a steep driveway and as I live in Canada we get snow... hence the need for something AWD this time around. I had the best ice and snow traction snow tires (as opposed to "performance snows") on the 330i (Blizzak WS-60s) in an effort to make it work for the driveway but it's just too steep. Most of the time as long as you're not on a steep hill there's nothing wrong with RWD and snow tires.

As for the S4: fantastic car and I would agree with most of the reviews. It gives me the speed of a 335i (maybe a tick more) with a true "performance" AWD system. I did get the torque vectoring rear differential which truly does make this Audi handle well, all but eliminating the dreaded Audi understeer which has disuaded me in the past. It's really nice to be able to put all that power down in every situation which was honestly a pain with the open-diff 330i and I suspect worse with the 335i. That feeling of taking a "hole-shot" with a powerful AWD car is addictive! If I lived in an area without snow, my choice may have been different. The interior of the S4 is truly striking, particularly with the two-tone leather but I would have to give the nod to the BMW sport seats for holding my slight frame a little firmer. It's true the Audi steering is lighter at slow speeds but in dynamic mode it firms up quickly as the speed climbs and is the equal of the BMW as far as accuracy is concerned although I would agree with everyone that it doesn't quite have the "feel" of the BMW.
The supercharged V6... particularly with the ability to sharpen the throttle response in dynamic mode... is truly remarkable... you have to drive it to see just how immediate and strong it really is. The only weakness is the exhaust note... just not sporty enough and not as nice as my 330i... will likely go with an aftermarket exhaust.

Bottom line: both Audi and BMW make spectacular cars that we are fortunate to be able to drive... slightly different styles but great none-the-less. You only live once and you might as well get some variety in your life. I wouldn't hesitate to buy another BMW but for now its the S4 for me.

Cheers all.

[Raine]

Well, if you're leasing, you have the option of trying out all cars every 3 years. No point in just being exclusive to one brand, you have the opportunity to test all of them!

[atsavin27]

I work for audi for a couple months and just my 0.02 i would not buy a audi....

[Raine]

Originally Posted by atsavin27

I work for audi for a couple months and just my 0.02 i would not buy a audi....

Can you elaborate?

[1BMW4fun]

Got fired? haha I'm just kidding.

[footie]

Originally Posted by 1BMW4fun

Got fired? haha I'm just kidding.

+1.

[sfef84]

Ill save you some money... stay with BMW

Before my 06 325 I had a 2003 a4 1.8 w/o quattro automatic. Had tons of problems. Had to replace transmission two times (under warranty thank god). At 65k miles my motor mounts were shot, brakes shot... Traded it in 2006 for a 2007 a4 2.0 quattro/manual. Had the APR chip and that thing was AWESOME. I ended up selling it and buying my 06 325i for the following reasons:

THEY CHANGE EVERYTHING ABOUT THE CAR EVERY YEAR!
---I bought my 03 a4 in 03 from the dealer... top of the line, for 6 months. When they came out with the new front/rear fairings. So then, my brand new car looked like an old model.
---I bought my 2007 in late 06 fully loaded, nav, xenons, sport package, premium sound blah blah blah... 43K. in 2007 the "sport package" didn't have the bolstered seats. 6 Months later, hello Recaro. 6 months later, hello LED bulbs in headlights. 6 months later new interior... I complained to my Audi dealer saying they update the a4 all the time. His reply "its the same chassis" Big Woop
--- Go to Audi USA and look at the new 2010 A4... IT LOOKS NOTHING... NOTHING like the 2007. What do you think you could get for your 07 a4 when the new '11 model is LIGHT years away and you can buy one nicely loaded for 31K
---Just like BMW, they have a 6 year model run. They are half way through and look at the difference. With BMW, the car is 80%-90% the same, sure they update the body, but every 2-3 years. Even then, the interior is the same. Look at the 2004 5 series and look at the 2009... SAME THING
--- Also, and this is a biggy... There is not a low-level BMW whereas the AUDI is a re-badged Jetta. Literally... they models are staggered 2 years. What I mean by this is the 2011 A4 will be the 2013 Jetta. The Jetta and A4 are the same chassis and most components unless you get the sport package

So, lets have a review:
--Your bad-ass car is bad-ass for a maximum of 7 months when the COMPLETELY redesigned A4 comes out. This reminds me... with Audi, such was my case, there will be two completely separate model A4s but have the SAME year. Look at a early 07 and a late 07.
--Your Audi will lose value like a mother with the constant model updates
--Your Audi is easily mistaken as a VW.
--Your BMW is and always will be badass because of consistent modeling
--Your BMW is a BMW

[Raine]

The thing about a BMW is that even older gen BMWs are still respected by enthusiasts and your average Joe alike despite being like 10+ yrs old. A BMW is a BMW.

[footie]

Originally Posted by sfef84

Ill save you some money... stay with BMW

Before my 06 325 I had a 2003 a4 1.8 w/o quattro automatic. Had tons of problems. Had to replace transmission two times (under warranty thank god). At 65k miles my motor mounts were shot, brakes shot... Traded it in 2006 for a 2007 a4 2.0 quattro/manual. Had the APR chip and that thing was AWESOME. I ended up selling it and buying my 06 325i for the following reasons:

THEY CHANGE EVERYTHING ABOUT THE CAR EVERY YEAR!
---I bought my 03 a4 in 03 from the dealer... top of the line, for 6 months. When they came out with the new front/rear fairings. So then, my brand new car looked like an old model.
---I bought my 2007 in late 06 fully loaded, nav, xenons, sport package, premium sound blah blah blah... 43K. in 2007 the "sport package" didn't have the bolstered seats. 6 Months later, hello Recaro. 6 months later, hello LED bulbs in headlights. 6 months later new interior... I complained to my Audi dealer saying they update the a4 all the time. His reply "its the same chassis" Big Woop
--- Go to Audi USA and look at the new 2010 A4... IT LOOKS NOTHING... NOTHING like the 2007. What do you think you could get for your 07 a4 when the new '11 model is LIGHT years away and you can buy one nicely loaded for 31K
---Just like BMW, they have a 6 year model run. They are half way through and look at the difference. With BMW, the car is 80%-90% the same, sure they update the body, but every 2-3 years. Even then, the interior is the same. Look at the 2004 5 series and look at the 2009... SAME THING
--- Also, and this is a biggy... There is not a low-level BMW whereas the AUDI is a re-badged Jetta. Literally... they models are staggered 2 years. What I mean by this is the 2011 A4 will be the 2013 Jetta. The Jetta and A4 are the same chassis and most components unless you get the sport package

So, lets have a review:
--Your bad-ass car is bad-ass for a maximum of 7 months when the COMPLETELY redesigned A4 comes out. This reminds me... with Audi, such was my case, there will be two completely separate model A4s but have the SAME year. Look at a early 07 and a late 07.
--Your Audi will lose value like a mother with the constant model updates
--Your Audi is easily mistaken as a VW.
--Your BMW is and always will be badass because of consistent modeling
--Your BMW is a BMW

Every model changes regardless of make and model, so if you afraid of driving something that will be replaced or face-lifted then you will never make the jump to buy a new motor.

While in some ways you are right in that there will be a face-lift for the A4 soon (approx 12 mths), this is surely this is far and a well better from a finanical point of view than buying a E9? 3 series only for the model to be replaced in little over a year and a half. If you think the Audi will lose a lot with a face-lift then it will be nothing to what you will lose with an old model Beemer.

Then you claim that the A4 has dramatically changed from B6 to B7 to B8. Sorry but I don't see this dramatic difference, externally there was some nose and tail tweaks from the B6 to become the B7 but interior wise they remained basically the same. Clearly there is a more noticable change to the B8 but then that is a completely new car, different in every way, though there is clear similarities between the three designs was the B8 being an evolution rather than a revolution. Next you claim the Jetta and A4 are basically the same motor with some styling changes, sorry mate but you have a bad case of VD (verbal diarrhea), Jetta and A4 don't use the same chassis/platform, never have and never will.

I don't mind someone with an opinion on something but when they clearly know absolutely nothing about the advice they are giving then it's best to refrain for posting.

[stickypaws]

Originally Posted by sfef84

The Jetta and A4 are the same chassis and most components unless you get the sport package

The Jetta is not even the same platform. It's an A Platform, not a B Platform.

The Jetta is built on the PQ35 chassis. The Audi A3 is a 35, too. The Passat is PQ46 chassis.

3=B Platform and 4=A Platform.

The A4 is built on the PL46 chassis. It's a B Platform.

And yes, VAG does encompasses a lot of different vehicles: Audi, VW, Skoda, Lamborghini, Bentley, Bugatti, SEAT, Scania, and 50% of Porsche (with a full merger by next year.) There will always be technology transfer and platform sharing, etc., within VAG .

Platform and parts bin sharing is nothing new at all in the overall history of automobile manufacturing. It even happens across differently owned marques with "alliances" among manufacturers.

[sfef84]

Sorry, I meant Passat.

I had a bad knee injury from wrestling back in the day and was aggravated with driving a manual tran. That is why I sold my 07 Audi... not because I was scared of not have the latest and greatest car available.

Do a search on wiki for audi a4... since 05, there have been 3 different platforms, every 2 years.

To get three different platforms out of a BMW... you have to go back to 1991
E36: 1991-1999
E46:1998-2005
E90: 2005-present

Stats don't lie

[Raja Ventureshield]

paaaaaSAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT, lol. we used to say that all the time in Chemistry class and crack up for some reason...

[footie]

Originally Posted by sfef84

Sorry, I meant Passat.

I had a bad knee injury from wrestling back in the day and was aggravated with driving a manual tran. That is why I sold my 07 Audi... not because I was scared of not have the latest and greatest car available.

Do a search on wiki for audi a4... since 05, there have been 3 different platforms, every 2 years.

To get three different platforms out of a BMW... you have to go back to 1991
E36: 1991-1999
E46:1998-2005
E90: 2005-present

Stats don't lie

Wrong.

The B6 A4 was released in 2000-2004 at which point it received a mid-life make over and was called the B7 which ran for another three years 2005-2008 totalling seven years on the same platform at which point the car was replaced by the B8 and it's all new MLP platform.

This is identical to how BMW do it with their 3 series, so please explain where in the he'll are you getting your information?

[MediaArtist]

This thread is way too serious.

[sfef84]

ugg...

type 2000 audi a4 (B5).... look at the car... type in 2002 audi a4(B6).... look at the car... type in 2006 (B7)
6 years.... 3 platforms.

compare 1998 3 series with a 2005 (1st, 2nd, or 3rd quarter financial year) 3 series... SAME THING.
Audis are great cars. I owned two of them, a B6 and then a B7. I can tell you, they are totally different cars. everything from the suspension, engine, interior features, exterior design, transmission... everything. My beef is that they do a complete restyle every 2 years. Just accept it. If they are "the same" as you say, then why on all audi forums are there complete separate forums for B5, B6, B7....??? Give me a break.

[footie]

Originally Posted by sfef84

ugg...

type 2000 audi a4 (B5).... look at the car... type in 2002 audi a4(B6).... look at the car... type in 2006 (B7)
6 years.... 3 platforms.

compare 1998 3 series with a 2005 (1st, 2nd, or 3rd quarter financial year) 3 series... SAME THING.
Audis are great cars. I owned two of them, a B6 and then a B7. I can tell you, they are totally different cars. everything from the suspension, engine, interior features, exterior design, transmission... everything. My beef is that they do a complete restyle every 2 years. Just accept it. If they are "the same" as you say, then why on all audi forums are there complete separate forums for B5, B6, B7....??? Give me a break.

Wrong again, on a roll here. The B6 was launched in Europe in 2000 and received a mild facelift that mainly centred around styling tweaks for the exterior nose and tail, mechanically it remained unchanged apart from a few very minor tweaks. To prove the my point here is the interior of the B6 and B7, or is that the B7 & B6, even I can't tell.




The B7 was only replaced in 2008 which is a total of 7 years on one platform, exactly the same as BMW.

[Raine]

^ Is it just me or does anyone else like the older interior better lol

Originally Posted by sfef84

ugg...

type 2000 audi a4 (B5).... look at the car... type in 2002 audi a4(B6).... look at the car... type in 2006 (B7)
6 years.... 3 platforms.

compare 1998 3 series with a 2005 (1st, 2nd, or 3rd quarter financial year) 3 series... SAME THING.
Audis are great cars. I owned two of them, a B6 and then a B7. I can tell you, they are totally different cars. everything from the suspension, engine, interior features, exterior design, transmission... everything. My beef is that they do a complete restyle every 2 years. Just accept it. If they are "the same" as you say, then why on all audi forums are there complete separate forums for B5, B6, B7....??? Give me a break.

yeah i have no idea why audis seperate their forums into B5/B6/B7/B8