BMW and Toyota Formally Agree to Develop Sportscars on Shared Platform

rconti · 12-31-2013, 03:10 AM

Sure, why not? If it's awesome, I'll consider buying it! If it sucks, I won't. Pretty simple.

flinchy · 12-31-2013, 03:11 AM

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Originally Posted by mhanism

Agree - not sure how I feel about this. Was never a big fan of Toyota's, especially the FR-S.

Blame subaru for the brzfrs86 sucking

If it had 300hp it would be total win.

mud hen medic · 12-31-2013, 03:38 AM

I'll reserve judgement for now. I just hope BMW doesn't taint their reputation with a flop. Toyotas these days are not very impressive. The FR-S is a nice attempt to get back to the days of the Supra and Celica…but it took a Subaru engine to do it.

Nebraska330xi · 12-31-2013, 03:47 AM

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Originally Posted by JAM3S

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Originally Posted by austinla335d

BMW will await your decision before moving forward...

Have the forums become a personal thought journal?

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I like that BMW is working outside the box. I say it's better to try it and pull the plug should it fail than to be reserved and miss a great opportunity.

This is a message board for people to post their thoughts.

Welcome to the internet.

Haha I like that he said "what is this a personal thought journal?" And then proceeded to share some personal thoughts.

clbmw · 12-31-2013, 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Luminor513

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Originally Posted by 1FASTX5

Goodbye bmw..... Hello audi!

+1

really?? do you really have to go to that extreme

I hope a supercar is in the pipeline and whatever this sports car is I hope it makes a true Cayman/Boxster competitor

conradb · 12-31-2013, 07:05 AM

lol 400HP+

$20 says it's maybe 300

ORIGIN M. · 12-31-2013, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by aajami

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Originally Posted by red-sauerkraut

As long as Toyota makes the water & fuel pumps...

Toyota doesn't make water and fuel pumps. No car manufacturer does.

And then?

The supplier hoser!

BVSEDJESUS · 12-31-2013, 09:18 AM

supra supra supraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

BMWZ4RIDER · 12-31-2013, 09:24 AM

Now we know where the new 3 series platform will be coming from:
Introducing the all new Camry 335i

DASHOCKER · 12-31-2013, 10:20 AM

supra with a toyota tuned n55 would be nice.

Jaylyons1 · 12-31-2013, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by stefan

BRZ/FRS does not have a proper motor for a sports car. This should be better.

Your ignorance is beyond belief.

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Originally Posted by flinchy

Blame subaru for the brzfrs86 sucking

If it had 300hp it would be total win.

Try driving one with that kind of power. I have. It isn't fun in the slightest. Once you break the 200whp barrier they start having a lot of problems keeping traction. It's not the motor that is the problem. But then again, it wasn't made to be a fast car in the first place. It was meant to lose that back end and be a blast to drive at reasonable speed.

Jamese93 · 12-31-2013, 11:05 AM

Toyota's are ok but generally dull as ditchwater. Why on earth do something like this ? Sounds like a recipe for disaster although I agree the latest Toyota coupe is a great little car. Makes me feel deeply uneasy to be honest...

SkipSauls · 12-31-2013, 11:23 AM

I've owned 2 Toyotas, a Land Cruiser in the 90s and a Tacoma now, and my wife has owned several Lexus ES, RX, and GX. None of them have been fun to drive or otherwise exciting, while the two X5s and e92 335i definitely were/are. That being said, the Toyotas are much more reliable, and all of them together spent less time in the shop than the damn 335i with its fuel pumps, engine mounts, computer glitches, etc. If I didn't enjoy driving the BMWs so much, along with their looks and features, I wouldn't put up with them. And unlike the Toyotas, I won't own one after the warranty expires!

BMW can learn as much from Toyota as vice-versa.

ORIGIN M. · 12-31-2013, 12:55 PM

You can't have both

Super Car is not likely

JasonCSU · 12-31-2013, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisNich117

BMW should buy Ferrari. Only logical since vw has Lamborghini.

Well, don't count on that happening as Ferrari is owned by Fiat.

///3dkn · 12-31-2013, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by 1FASTX5

Goodbye bmw..... Hello audi!

+2

andrey_gta · 12-31-2013, 02:51 PM

Subaru + Toyota = toyobaru
BMW + Toyota = BMYota?

bimmerjph · 12-31-2013, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Jaylyons1

It was meant to lose that back end and be a blast to drive at reasonable speed.

+1000000 at least someone else gets it...

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Originally Posted by andrey_gta

Subaru + Toyota = toyobaru
BMW + Toyota = BMYota?

Bavota? Bavarian + Toyota?

I don't think BMW + Toyota will ever produce something that is natural to say.

inChargeOfIT · 12-31-2013, 04:33 PM

This is mostly conjecture, but this partnership is most likely all about the fuel cell/hybrid development. If the sports car actually does come to fruition (I thought the agreement was just to discuss the project?), it would also likely only share hybrid/fuel-cell/whatever power plant.

The bigger disappointment for me is that BMW (and Toyota for that matter) are not going back to F1. With the new rule changes coming next year, it would have been a great place to develop their turbo and hybrid tech.

As far as the BRZ/FRS goes.. I thought they intentionally balanced the car and made the wheels thin so they would be fun to drive? Which, according to most reviewers, they are indeed that.

BMW269 · 12-31-2013, 04:57 PM

Remember that if not Toyota, BMW would never think about building any type of sportscar. They would continue building "Premium-Toyota" like the 225i Active Tourer.

James550i6spd · 12-31-2013, 05:38 PM

The leadership at BMW and Toyota aren't stupid. I work for a subsidiary of Toyota (we make 90% of their electronics)...this is good news. Toyota know what it does well (quality) and so does BMW (driving experience). It is completely possible that BMW did this to improve quality Of their cars as they seeing as how their cars are becoming very technologically advanced and electronics-based (and Japanese have the best electronics). Toyota is doing the same as they know their cars are very vanilla and boring ( heck a lot of our top brass drive BMWs)

geared · 12-31-2013, 06:04 PM

Supra....do it.

I own a 1100+ rwhp supra as my toy....and I love that fucking car.

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