[radiofrequency]

I read your post and the entire thread this morning, so it seems I might be able to help with some good information as your final interview is September 14th. I've interviewed a lot of people over the years, probably in the low 200's and I would have to say that, in my experience, most are not prepared for the interview. If you can understand that, in an interview, most, if not all, questions are aren't the real question, your job in the interview, is to decode what the real question is - you have to slow things down a little though, because you don't want to read too much into every question. When I talk to a candidate and assess their competency, I expect them to know everything about the position and the organization, that's just the basic's. IMHO, you have to "train" for the interview, after all, would you enter yourself into a marathon without training and knowing the finer points of competing in a grueling event? Interviewing is much the same, I cant speak to Government jobs, and the interview process involved, but people are people, a bad hire/fit is very costly, in addition to the trauma of exiting the incorrect candidate from a position. While the following might not be appropriate for your specific position, interviewing is interviewing, and is all about separating yourself from the pack. When people reach out to me for help in this area, my first step is to guide them to this site (I have no financial interest in the organization): PS: This is a general notice about one of her Webinars (Peggy McKee), and may not be appropriate for your specific situation, but if you visit her site, there is a great deal of exceptional information, you'll feel like you are going into training for that marathon.....:


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It pays to be prepared, but also to separate yourself from the pack, Peggy's preparation helps you to decode where you are different, and how those differences make you a stronger candidate. I would also read "Linchpin" by Seth Godin - here's a quote to think about:

“The job is what you do when you are told what to do. The job is showing up at the factory, following instructions, meeting spec, and being managed.

Someone can always do your job a little better or faster or cheaper than you can.

The job might be difficult, it might require skill, but it's a job.

Your art is what you do when no one can tell you exactly how to do it. Your art is the act of taking personal responsibility, challenging the status quo, and changing people.

I call the process of doing your art 'the work.' It's possible to have a job and do the work, too. In fact, that's how you become a linchpin.

The job is not the work.”
― Seth Godin, Linchpin: Are You Indispensable?

Hope this helps a little and good luck on the 14th!

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[rcracin]

Sorry to hear that man. That really blows

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Are your options really that limited? Maybe it's time to seriously job hunt.

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Maybe I can convince the new person to split the responsibilities with me and I can get my position upgraded to something that pays more.

[rcracin]

I think so if you keep trying hard, but it'll only get you so far. If you're still 20 years away from retirement, a 2 year community college degree might not cost you much and may lead to a higher salary.

[CANGRKE70]

Originally Posted by obert

Thanks for all the advice. I didn’t get the job and they were pretty shitty about telling me I need to train the new person.

I still have a good job so I will just continue doing what I have been.

Sorry to hear it didn't go as planned. You're a better man than I, as I would handed them my resignation the day they told me to train the new boss, while also not being compensated for the extras.



Have you had that conversation asking to be compensated for these new job functions?

When I hire for high level positions (especially from within my company) I do look at education, but job experience, attitude and how you've performed at every level trumps education always. I've known some of the smartest dumb people and they usually don't last long.

Best of luck going forward, just don't stay at the job for the paycheck. Look for something that challenges you and compensates you for the work you do. This govt. job sounds like a life sucker and probably not somewhere you want to be for the next 15-20 years.

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[Eternal]

just my two cents, and you hit on it in your last post. are you really performing at the level you THINK you are? I have 179 people under me. It is absolutely amazing how far from reality some of those workers are when it comes to how they THINK they are performing. I am a blunt person. I come right out and ask how people think they are performing and then break down for them how their leadership sees it. Perception and reality are not always in line with each other, but perception usually drives decisions, unfortunately.

Or another view, you seem fairly passive. Maybe leadership needs someone aggresive, someone who is a take charge person. If you continue to allow to run all over you, you are showing your leadership potential. To continue in the position you are in, willingly, might be confirming they made the right decision.

I would be job hunting if I was you. Get yourself into the drivers seat so they either put up or shut up.

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[Eternal]

Originally Posted by obert

I agree they see me as someone they can do whatever to and I will just take it. I will hold them to my re-class and see how that plays out.

I always thought if you can do a job with out anyone complaining how you do it and get it done fast and accurate all while helping the end user that should be enough to prove to your superiors that you are more than capable of doing anything.

Getting a job done and managing people to gt a job done, are two vastly different tasks. (I am assuming the new job includes management responsibilities since you are replacing your boss). I have some hard ass workers, who get the job done extremely well, but have no ability to lead anyone to do anything. I would not reccomend them for promotion based off of them being hard workers just because they get their CURRENT job done fast and accurately.

[Eternal]

If you can't stick up for yourself and will let your leadership run all over you, can you fire one of your employees/ Can you correct them? Or will you just pick up their slack and continue to be a push over? I am sure your leadership is asking this question.

just trying to give the other side of the coin.

Ask your bosses why you did not get the job. (make sure you have a back up plan before sking)

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[BOOF-M3]

Originally Posted by Eternal

just my two cents, and you hit on it in your last post. are you really performing at the level you THINK you are? I have 179 people under me. It is absolutely amazing how far from reality some of those workers are when it comes to how they THINK they are performing. I am a blunt person. I come right out and ask how people think they are performing and then break down for them how their leadership sees it. Perception and reality are not always in line with each other, but perception usually drives decisions, unfortunately.

Or another view, you seem fairly passive. Maybe leadership needs someone aggresive, someone who is a take charge person. If you continue to allow to run all over you, you are showing your leadership potential. To continue in the position you are in, willingly, might be confirming they made the right decision.

I would be job hunting if I was you. Get yourself into the drivers seat so they either put up or shut up.

Good luck OP.

[obert]

Yeah your right

[obert]

Moving on thanks everyone for the advice.