[Haywood]

Originally Posted by gonzo

^ she needs to stfu and disappear already.

I read the guy was a registered sexual predator. ???
Living in the Mandalay. ???

My guess:
Degenerate gambler. Lost everything. Sexual confusion. Nagging wife.
Boinko. Plans this concert tragedy.
Death by cop.

Except this POS coward killed himself before the cops got to him.

[KenB925]

Originally Posted by Calvin36

But terrorism isn't really limited to foreign persons. There can be domestic terrorism. Any type of act to instill terror can be categorized as terrorism. Not just people of Muslim background. That's what really makes me think. Of that label.. terrorist. Do we label a foreigner as a terrorist easier than an American?

If there is no goal (political, religious, ideological, etc) then it doesn't fit the definition of 'terrorism'

there most certainly can be domestic terrorists/terrorism, but so far we don't have motivation for this guy, but it is very early.

Originally Posted by TrevorM3

so much unwarranted speculation, calm the fuck down.

Indeed

[Calvin36]

Originally Posted by KenB925

If there is no goal (political, religious, ideological, etc) then it doesn't fit the definition of 'terrorism'

there most certainly can be domestic terrorists/terrorism, but so far we don't have motivation for this guy, but it is very early.

Indeed

Indeed. I can see the reasoning to that. I suppose only in time will more info will be revealed so we can see a clearer picture.

[are0lies]

Originally Posted by Calvin36

But terrorism isn't really limited to foreign persons. There can be domestic terrorism. Any type of act to instill terror can be categorized as terrorism. Not just people of Muslim background. That's what really makes me think. Of that label.. terrorist. Do we label a foreigner as a terrorist easier than an American?

To this question, yes, unfortunately. We have had gangs here for the longest, which have killed perhaps in the millions, but we consider them "local" issues, or civil issues. Yet these same thugs terrorize the neighborhoods that inhabit them. Damn, call them terrorists, and deal with them. But yes, we can build a wall to keep terrorist "out" and in the end we just protect the ones we have here.

[Calvin36]

Originally Posted by are0lies

To this question, yes, unfortunately. We have had gangs here for the longest, which have killed perhaps in the millions, but we consider them "local" issues, or civil issues. Yet these same thugs terrorize the neighborhoods that inhabit them. Damn, call them terrorists, and deal with them. But yes, we can build a wall to keep terrorist "out" and in the end we just protect the ones we have here.

Really makes you think. Thanks for the perspective.

[schoy]

This may be the watershed moment for gun control activists. Given the nature of the massacre, even gun rights supporters have to admit that stricter gun control could have prevented the massacre (not saying it definitely would have, but it's > 0%), but looser gun control definitely could not have prevented it or stopped it.

Edit: In fact, looser gun control might have made it worse; imagine if everyone at the concert was carrying. One guy pulls out his gun to defend himself, and everyone else thinks he's the shooter. The stampede alone apparently injured about 500. Can you imagine a stampede of 20,000 armed people? From now on, every time a gun rights supporter says "Guns saves lives because everyone can now defend themselves," a gun control activist will say, "How about Las Vegas?"

Obviously, the argument looks at this event in isolation, but that is how it's going to be viewed.

[Captain Blood]

This isn't about politics, terrorism, or gun control. This is a sick, evil individual who apparently was able to modify his guns to become fully automatic. The question that will come up as how he was able to modify his gun(s). And I think you'll see metal detectors at the elevator banks at all the Vegas hotels.

[Maestro]

Originally Posted by JIMT8292

There was a thread on the Rolex Forum about the shooting.

I posted - Living in the UK I don't understand the American mindset on guns when 11'000 people a year can die in one country and they do nothing. It's nuts.

Went to use the site 5 mins later and got this !

You have been banned for the following reason:
No reason was specified.

Date the ban will be lifted: Never

First, does not surprise me many people have no tolerance when it comes the gun conversation, next, what is your fixation with cars, you know way more people are killed in car accidents.

it was easy to hate what you do not understand.

[schoy]

Originally Posted by Real Dodger

This isn't about politics, terrorism, or gun control. This is a sick, evil individual who apparently was able to modify his guns to become fully automatic. The question that will come up as how he was able to modify his gun(s). And I think you'll see metal detectors at the elevator banks at all the Vegas hotels.

You're probably right, but it's human nature to rationalize everything, and then problem-solve it. For instance: we have to take our shoes off at the airport gate security because Richard Reid tried to conceal a bomb in his shoes (which ultimately failed in any case) in 2001. Random one-off act that resulted into over-regulation. But that's human nature.

[Maestro]

Originally Posted by Joekerr

What was it then? Sounds like full auto to me. I don't see how someone's trigger finger is that fast with the staccato bursts I heard...just doesn't sound semi-auto.

Listen closer, you can here the non-repetitive of the finger pulls, it is not like how the military are taught to shot 3 to 5 round busts then a pause, The guy dump 20 round and then long pause. It was not full auto if it was you would barely hear each crack of the round, but you can hear each round and the time between varied. and Automatic can not do that. Full auto is 750 to 900 rounds a minute you would not hear the individual rounds, 1 one second pull is 10 to 12 rounds.

The media always want it to me a fully automatic weapon since they can not think a semi auto can be fired all that fast, even semi auto you can dump 20 round in under 10 sec.

[Calvin36]

Originally Posted by schoy

You're probably right, but it's human nature to rationalize everything, and then problem-solve it. For instance: we have to take our shoes off at the airport gate security because Richard Reid tried to conceal a bomb in his shoes (which ultimately failed in any case) in 2001. Random one-off act that resulted into over-regulation. But that's human nature.

That's how we try to protect the masses I suppose. Once an idea is revealed, others might follow suit so the authorities must react and prevent. It'll be extremely silly if the shoe bomb failed, was publicized and then one does succeed right after that. People would question why there wasn't any preventative action since it has come to light. As the saying goes, "Better safe then sorry."

[Lups]

Originally Posted by Real Dodger

This isn't about politics, terrorism, or gun control. This is a sick, evil individual who apparently was able to modify his guns to become fully automatic. The question that will come up as how he was able to modify his gun(s). And I think you'll see metal detectors at the elevator banks at all the Vegas hotels.

When we had our first and second school shooting here in Finland, we handled the investigations, grieved, then had some serious talks.

I agree completely, this is not a time for politics. I got a ton of shit for mentioning rt and palls pushing the Isis line (which is mentioned by others too, but in a different light). I did not mean to politicize this, i wanted people to realize the fear is being manipulated.

Over fifty people died.

[Calvin36]

Originally Posted by Maestro

Listen closer, you can here the non-repetitive of the finger pulls, it is not like how the military are taught to shot 3 to 5 round busts then a pause, The guy dump 20 round and then long pause. It was not full auto if it was you would barely hear each crack of the round, but you can hear each round and the time between varied. and Automatic can not do that. Full auto is 750 to 900 rounds a minute you would not hear the individual rounds, 1 one second pull is 10 to 12 rounds.

The media always want it to me a fully automatic weapon since they can not think a semi auto can be fired all that fast, even semi auto you can dump 20 round in under 10 sec.

That's one impressive trigger finger if he had fired it in that fashion for 10-15 minutes. There's a lot of resistance on a trigger unless his was modified which isn't out of the question.

[fravel]

Originally Posted by Maestro

Listen closer, you can here the non-repetitive of the finger pulls, it is not like how the military are taught to shot 3 to 5 round busts then a pause, The guy dump 20 round and then long pause. It was not full auto if it was you would barely hear each crack of the round, but you can hear each round and the time between varied. and Automatic can not do that. Full auto is 750 to 900 rounds a minute you would not hear the individual rounds, 1 one second pull is 10 to 12 rounds.

The media always want it to me a fully automatic weapon since they can not think a semi auto can be fired all that fast, even semi auto you can dump 20 round in under 10 sec.

Originally Posted by Calvin36

That's one impressive trigger finger if he had fired it in that fashion for 10-15 minutes. There's a lot of resistance on a trigger unless his was modified which isn't out of the question.

I've got my money on some sort of slide-fire stock.

[are0lies]

Originally Posted by Lups

When we had our first and second school shooting here in Finland, we handled the investigations, grieved, then had some serious talks.

I agree completely, this is not a time for politics. I got a ton of shit for mentioning rt and palls pushing the Isis line (which is mentioned by others too, but in a different light). I did not mean to politicize this, i wanted people to realize the fear is being manipulated.

Over fifty people died.

Honestly, your politicizing of this matter only gave a few people, on these forums, a butthurt. But this idiot... Yeah, she just went overboard, and I'm not even a Republican.
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment...publicans.html

[Lups]

Originally Posted by are0lies

Honestly, your politicizing of this matter only gave a few people, on these forums, a butthurt. But this idiot... Yeah, she just went overboard, and I'm not even a Republican.
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment...publicans.html

I honestly thought people should know how it is being used. I used the right wing wrong, i had at the time i checked seen it only in rt, and nypost and palls.

I apologize for giving the impression.

Yeah. I read that. If she thinks she's a liberal, she needs meds.

[lakefront]

On a bit of the flip side to all this response to a deranged (evil) individual, my daughter was just a few blocks away when this happened. Saw the police and ambulances flying by. She said this morning there are long lines of people standing for hours to be able to donate blood. And some of the folks when finished donating, went to local stores and bought water and food for the people still standing in line. She also mentioned that large numbers of civilians used their personal vehicles to transport wounded to local hospitals because there were not enough police cars and ambulances to handle the number. I guess its just good to hear SOME positive news out of this tragedy.

[BOOF-M3]

Not sure if this has been discussed but this woman may be crazy. I wouldn't wish that tragedy on anyone including animals.

CBS fires vice president who said Vegas victims didn't deserve sympathy because they were 'probably Republicans' - Fox News
https://apple.news/AxFzpcRXCRUau9tJw0zydzA

[Hawkeye]

Originally Posted by 37psi

Trump doesn?t help

The ways Trump is trying to make it easier for Americans to access guns: What he has done and said so far - The Independent
https://apple.news/AeY_U8H9VSs6NweAPBDJ-xg

R.i.p

LOL, did you even read that poorly written article? It mentioned one thing "Trump" has done, and it was also backed by a lot of senators and the Civil Liberties Union because the description of "Mental Illness" was poorly defined and would lead to less people getting help for mental illnesses they may have.

[Lups]

Originally Posted by lakefront

On a bit of the flip side to all this response to a deranged (evil) individual, my daughter was just a few blocks away when this happened. Saw the police and ambulances flying by. She said this morning there are long lines of people standing for hours to be able to donate blood. And some of the folks when finished donating, went to local stores and bought water and food for the people still standing in line. She also mentioned that large numbers of civilians used their personal vehicles to transport wounded to local hospitals because there were not enough police cars and ambulances to handle the number. I guess its just good to hear SOME positive news out of this tragedy.

The best post in the whole thread.

[Fundguy1]

He either modified his weapons or had a bump stock. No way he was shooting like that otherwise. It took time and planning. And we need to see motivation before conclusions. Bottomline hes an ass the world is better without, but its a shame he didnt just off himself and had to hurt all those people first. Coward and a true loser.

[are0lies]

Originally Posted by Lups

I honestly thought people should know how it is being used. I used the right wing wrong, i had at the time i checked seen it only in rt, and nypost and palls.

I apologize for giving the impression.

Yeah. I read that. If she thinks she's a liberal, she needs meds.

No need to apologize. Hell, you merely stated your opinion, and you know that sayin about opinions. Where it becomes wrong is when insults come into play (not necessarily you), because then that insult merely states that I no longer have a rational argument to counter you, and I need to drag you down so that I can feel smarter. I may not like your opinion, but you have a legitimate right to it. Once again, don't apologize for what you believe in, just justify a little clearer. You're good. And it's always great to hear outside views of how we crazy Americans conduct business, because, even I, often do not understand it.