[Donatello.]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

My non-car enthusiast buddy is obsessed with the E Tron GT and has decided it will be his next car. He drew blanks when I brought up how heavy it is.

People literally don't care, they just a car that will go fast in a straight line even though they never floor it. Handling, steering, etc. don't register in the minds of anyone. I can't recall the last time I saw a Tesla driving fast, they just want the bragging rights.

Even among the car enthusiast community, it is probably a minority of us who even care how much a car weighs. We gravitate toward brands like Porsche, BMW, Alfa Romeo. The people who just want to drive fast boats love Mercs Audis Teslas etc.

I've had a couple Tesla drivers try to play with my Hellcat on the highway, but there was always traffic so no play for them

[beachBmmr]

Originally Posted by Cos270

I work for one of the big companies (rhymes with M&M). Unfortunately, what beachBmmr says is true. Companies are trying to move forward with this approach. Is it possible/feasible? Doesn't matter. There is more stable revenue there, so that's the direction they're heading. I'm in my late 20's and am an outlier in my generation in regards to my enthusiasm and passion for automobiles (be they EV or ICE). The generation(s) after me could not care less. Many don't even have driver's license or care to get them. These are future "customers" that automakers will have to cater to. It is a bleak future, and I try not to think about it too much. I'm just glad that I was able to pick up one of my attainable dream cars this year and I plan to drive it until it's no longer feasible.

Its happening…https://techcrunch.com/2022/01/14/j-...ight-customer/

[Murf993]

Originally Posted by Donatello.

Ooooorrrrrr it's just evolution of this industry?

I am a Hellcat owner FYI

So the Hellcat appeals to my inner teenager. I was 16 in 1977 when muscle cars and cruising were the thing to do. I had a 69 Firebird with some mods that a 16 year old could do and afford. Friends drove big block Chevelle's, Vettes, Cougars, 57 Chevy's, Road Runners etc.

How do you like the Hellcat and what are your feelings about the evolution?

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by nerdogray

There is no way in hell society will last long enough for any idealistic vision of EV's to take hold. At its root, EV is not being driven by some alruistic pursuit of a cleaner planet or environmental responsibility. It's about money and ultimately, power. That's it. Now certainly there are many of those that do champion the transition to EV that are being driven by more actual ideals. But in the end it won't make a difference... at all. We will all be steamrolled. ICE engines are a scapegoat used to leverage more power from a society too fractured to fight back. It is also an absolute absurdity that we are to uproot everything for truly minimal long-term gain when you have one country that will never participate and is also the leading cause of all emissions and pollution... not to mention being utterly morally bankrupt. I guess that's my Asian hate talking, though... because that's supposedly a thing, too. EV's are nothing but a farce, taken up as shield and sword by a generation that loves to proclaim its virtue while having not a single shred of wisdom to know what they are really asking or doing.

I'm late to this thread. But Man, this is an excellent post.

[FrankMstein]

Originally Posted by nerdogray

Sounds great. Everyone can polish their knobs over how environmentally woke they've become. Every car gets sub-2.0 second 0-60 acceleration and feels and sounds the same everywhere. Or you can pay $500 for the "choose your own acceleration sound" option that'll get piped over a system that will warn you when you've turned the volume up too loud or are listening to "misinformation." I love the future.

Did Q send you?

[FrankMstein]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

I'm late to this thread. But Man, this is an excellent post.

A cave man said what?

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by beachBmmr

Its happening…https://techcrunch.com/2022/01/14/j-...ight-customer/

Glad I don't have to drive in Texas.

[houbmw]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Glad I don't have to drive in Texas.

We drive from houston to dallas all the time and never noticed the trucks. Impressive if their reporting is true..

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by FrankMstein

A cave man said what?

I'll sum it up. It's all bullshit.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by houbmw

We drive from houston to dallas all the time and never noticed the trucks. Impressive if their reporting is true..

There is a very large gap between Class 8 trucks being autonomously driven with "a certified truck driver and software engineer on board" vs. a tractor trailer travelling on a populated highway in inclement weather with no human driver on board.

Failed brakes on a truck in Colorado still got a driver a 10-year jail sentence even after public outrage and driver's threats to not deliver goods to the state. Once a lawyer figures out how to get past Waymo to Alphabet Inc., this nonsense will stop.

[FrankMstein]

I believe the same Neanderthals who can't master a DCT and "flappy paddles" are the same Cretans that refuse to buy an electric car over their dead body and were watching 1/6 with Cheetolini with a smile on their face. Womp womp. I have a piston on my keyring still, but no jump drive, however I have a DCT because I have evolved and kept up....

I guess some haven't heard that fossil fuels are running out? How long do you want to keep paying $50-$70 for a tank of fuel? They have a finite ending. Last I checked the sun will last waaaaaaay longer than fossil fuels. Caveman want his coal uugg!

I want hot-swapable super capacitors!!! No more built in batteries!

[AlexFL]

Originally Posted by FrankMstein

I want hot-swapable super capacitors!!! No more built in batteries!

That’s exactly it. That’s the future!

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by FrankMstein

I believe the same Neanderthals who can't master a DCT and "flappy paddles" are the same Cretans that refuse to buy an electric car over their dead body and were watching 1/6 with Cheetolini with a smile on their face. Womp womp. I have a piston on my keyring still, but no jump drive, however I have a DCT because I have evolved and kept up....

I guess some haven't heard that fossil fuels are running out? How long do you want to keep paying $50-$70 for a tank of fuel? They have a finite ending. Last I checked the sun will last waaaaaaay longer than fossil fuels. Caveman want his coal uugg!

I want hot-swapable super capacitors!!! No more built in batteries!

Lol. I'm near 60 years old now. I've been hearing that shit about "fossil" fuels are finite and running out literally since I've been 10 years old. Adjusted for time value of money, gasoline is barely more expensive now than when I started to drive in 1978. The boogeyman in the sky back then was Global Cooling.

SAVE THE PLANET!!!!

[BGM-M3COMP]

This year will be critical for me as i plan on ordering my tesla end of this month or next month for an april/may delivery.

I really would like to get my hands on an EV charger. I love the hellcat chargers now (challenger doesn't look as good), it would be nice to see them redesign the charger, and make it an EV. Hybrid would've been good first, as an intro to that technology but if they want to go straight to EV, i think it'll be successful.

It'll be faster than the ICE hellcat in every metric. The only thing people will complain about is the lack of sound. Well that's the future. No sounds. Except a star trek humming noise if you get down and put your ear to the car. It does emit a humming star trek sound.

Immediately full torque the moment you stab the throttle? No waiting for a trans to downshift, not worrying about what RPM you're at? Sign me up!

If you're a speed freak, the EV world is basically heaven. Now if you're a fan of sounds, just keep your favorite ICE car around while you jetson your way in your commute in a fast EV. It's a win win.

[FrankMstein]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Lol. I'm near 60 years old now. I've been hearing that shit about "fossil" fuels are finite and running out literally since I've been 10 years old. Adjusted for time value of money, gasoline is barely more expensive now than when I started to drive in 1978. The boogeyman in the sky back then was Global Cooling.

SAVE THE PLANET!!!!

Your time is a spec of sand on the ultimate time line. It only takes a short time to destroy our environment and it can be done in two grains of sand. Give it time. You don't think they can't run out? It's not infinite man. Why do you think all these fossil fuel makers are investing in alternate sources? So "gasoline is barely more expensive now than when I started to drive in 1978". Sure.

Save the planet.

[beachBmmr]

Originally Posted by FrankMstein

Your time is a spec of sand on the ultimate time line. It only takes a short time to destroy our environment and it can be done in two grains of sand. Give it time. You don't think they can't run out? It's not infinite man. Why do you think all these fossil fuel makers are investing in alternate sources? So "gasoline is barely more expensive now than when I started to drive in 1978". Sure.

Save the planet.

Fukushima and industrial petrochemical farming is going to destroy our planet, starting with the ecosystem and food chain long before fossil fuel burning.. come on, get with the right man made apocalypse

[Higgs Boson]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

If you're a speed freak, the EV world is basically heaven. Now if you're a fan of sounds, just keep your favorite ICE car around while you jetson your way in your commute in a fast EV. It's a win win.

Sound and weight. When an EV can weigh 3000 lbs and make it around Laguna Seca 40-50 times on one charge turning 1:25 laps then recharge in under 20 seconds I will consider them a suitable replacement for gas cars.

My wife can drive an EV. Oh yeah she did drive an Audi etron for a while and then got paranoid about it catching fire while charging and is now back in a gas car, lol.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by FrankMstein

Your time is a spec of sand on the ultimate time line. It only takes a short time to destroy our environment and it can be done in two grains of sand. Give it time. You don't think they can't run out? It's not infinite man. Why do you think all these fossil fuel makers are investing in alternate sources? So "gasoline is barely more expensive now than when I started to drive in 1978". Sure.

Save the planet.

Well, just research some things. There are long-time theories about the Earth's crust converting trapped carbon into oil in short time spans. Just don't believe one side of it.

Oh no, in 2020, gas was actually less per gallon than in 1978... (and that includes three gas tax increases totaling 14.3 cents since 1983)

Right. Save the planet. It sucks when reality doesn't fit the narrative.

LOL

[brad850csi]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Well, just research some things. There are long-time theories about the Earth's crust converting trapped carbon into oil in short time spans. Just don't believe one side of it.

Oh no, in 2020, gas was actually less per gallon than in 1978... (and that includes three gas tax increases totaling 14.3 cents since 1983)

Right. Save the planet. It sucks when reality doesn't fit the narrative.

LOL

Don't worry, it is US$8 per gallon here and our roads are so poor that on a road I've personally averaged 101kmh on without going above 110kmh on they want to drop it to 80kmh because we can't maintain the road any more.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/hawkes-ba...RHGBEZULXSTF4/

But don't worry, we can do this stupid shit instead of improving roads.

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/...mmed-shambolic

It can always get worse....

[FrankMstein]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Well, just research some things. There are long-time theories about the Earth's crust converting trapped carbon into oil in short time spans. Just don't believe one side of it.

Oh no, in 2020, gas was actually less per gallon than in 1978... (and that includes three gas tax increases totaling 14.3 cents since 1983)

Right. Save the planet. It sucks when reality doesn't fit the narrative.

LOL

Sure, adjusted for inflation...lol! Yeah inflation was no worse then than now at ~7%. Probably has something to do with the prior admin huh? So currently people will have us believe the inflation sky is falling right now, will you?

Included are come charts for your reality analysis comparison of 1977 to 2022...Shall we compare earnings too?

I do not subscribe to believing hot topics such as global cooling. My BS detector was factory installed and it has been tested by Q (and wow...wtfe) as well as a lot of other BS and not believing that malarkey but believing science thank you.

I know saving is not a common practice, to each his own. I'm not going to get into an argument here. I have battled others with data on this subject and it's not hard. I can cover this thread so long with data you will forget what's its about.

In case you haven't heard, you can prove anything with statistics including what makes your argument and excluding want doesn't. I will defeat you and others on the niche argument you have carved out here. I don't have the will to anymore...futile and stupid.

Save the planet, it's not like there is Earth 2.0 like Elon (weird MF) will have you believe.

[Higgs Boson]

Originally Posted by brad850csi

Don't worry, it is US$8 per gallon here and our roads are so poor that on a road I've personally averaged 101kmh on without going above 110kmh on they want to drop it to 80kmh because we can't maintain the road any more.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/hawkes-ba...RHGBEZULXSTF4/

But don't worry, we can do this stupid shit instead of improving roads.

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/...mmed-shambolic

It can always get worse....

Sounds like government mismanagement to me. Is it because they are breathing too much carbon dioxide?

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by FrankMstein

Sure, adjusted for inflation...lol! Yeah inflation was no worse then than now at ~7%. Probably has something to do with the prior admin huh? So currently people will have us believe the inflation sky is falling right now, will you?

Included are come charts for your reality analysis comparison of 1977 to 2022...Shall we compare earnings too?

I do not subscribe to believing hot topics such as global cooling. My BS detector was factory installed and it has been tested by Q (and wow...wtfe) as well as a lot of other BS and not believing that malarkey but believing science thank you.

I know saving is not a common practice, to each his own. I'm not going to get into an argument here. I have battled others with data on this subject and it's not hard. I can cover this thread so long with data you will forget what's its about.

In case you haven't heard, you can prove anything with statistics including what makes your argument and excluding want doesn't. I will defeat you and others on the niche argument you have carved out here. I don't have the will to anymore...futile and stupid.

Save the planet, it's not like there is Earth 2.0 like Elon (weird MF) will have you believe.

Okay, so this is not an internet thesis paper exercise; you can cool your jets about flooding the thread with data so much that "I'll forget what it is about" - LOL. My discussion is not about inflation, nor about the cost of gas vs. income; it is about market economic theory. So, you went off on a tangent that is immaterial to the discussion. The discussion is the BS about carbon fuels being a finite commodity. So, try to reengage.

What my topic is about is the theoretical scarcity of gasoline (and diesel) that has been the meme of environmental politics since the 1970's, where we are going to "run out of fossil fuels because they are a finite resource". My purpose for using the price of gasoline in constant dollars is to point out that for 50 years since the finite-resource meme has been thrown at society and the pending doom of no carbon-based fuels will be left for us to use, the price of gasoline DOES NOT REFLECT that the sources of carbon fuels are scarce. Gasoline prices have remained constant, even have lowered, since the big scare of the 1970's and the pending doom of no fuel.

The 1970's predictions of scarce fuel supplies was that carbon fuels may be non-existent by the mid-1980's to mid-1990's and certainly by 2020, as remember being warned in my childhood years. It just didn't pan out. Gas costs just the same now as in 1980. If "fossil" fuels are supposedly so scarce, gasoline would be 5 times the price it was in 1980 by the year 2022. The data show that it is not.

And if you truly believe science, then you would understand the Earth's climate cycles due to numerous factors such as plate tectonics to the stabilization of the planet's rotation and orbit. Crude oil doesn't come from dinosaurs...