[TSM330i]

It's very odd to me that a car what weighs 200lbs more with not much more HP is faster.
I'm also wondering why the BMW only had 17" wheels. I don't speak German to know if the BMW even had the sport suspension.

[Bimmer007]

Originally Posted by flipmde786

How much more expensive is the S4 in Europe compared to the 335?

I have been thinking about my next car (not too seriously, just to pass time), and the S4 interested me, but I couldn't justify the substantially higher price (in the US).

the new s4 is the same price as the 335i m-sport in the UK

[V1.47fan]

Originally Posted by footie

I am amazed by this statement. You think the 335i to be below the S4 in terms of what???
......performance - clearly yes but not for the lack of output from the 335.

Clearly yes???? I don't think so,my stock 335i ran 0 to 60 in 4.8 to 5.0 secs at the drag strip not using i-phone.I wanted to know how fast the car ran before I installed PROcede.

You got to use common sense,if the 335i ran slower than what BMW advertised people here would've screamed bloody murder.

Official BMW numbers on the 335i are 0 to 60 in 5.2 secs,300hp,300 lb-ft... any gearhead who's familiar with the 335i will tell you that the 335i is faster than that Yet AMS show 0 to 62 in 5.5 secs and you believed it.

That's what i like about this site a good number of people here are objective a good example is when someone posted a vid of an E93 M3 spanking a AMG c63 even BMW fanboys like me said that wasn't realistic.

This is one of the most informative BMW forums but some on here still can't get realistic performance numbers on the 335i.

Audi fanboys are so desperate to see the 335i lose that they lose their objectivity and are filled with negative emotions about BMW's.

Like a sleazy politician you use one questionable test showing the 335i performing poorly on greasy roads and ignore over a dozen tests showing the 335i reaching 0-60 in sub 5 secs .Performance? Clearly yes hahaha

Originally Posted by Robin Hood

Like I said before:Read ISSUE 1/2009 of carmag SPORTAUTO(very good reputation here in EU, as a matter of fact my nr1 carmag by far) and see the 335i win over the S4.

[c0nstant]

the s4 looks really planted to the track in that video

[NewSong]

Ugh. This thread has been ruined by the BMW fanboy "conspiracy theorist".

[V1.47fan]

Originally Posted by NewSong

Ugh. This thread has been ruined by the BMW fanboy "conspiracy theorist".

Yeah!you're right, the S4 crushes the 335i. Anyone who disputes it is a BMW fanboy

Sport Auto comparo that shows the 335i win over the S4 is a bunch of Bull...

Now you won't feel so bad about choosing the 328i over the 335i,you're pry getting tired of the 335i scooping all the glory. Ha

[footie]

No one should not expect the 335 not to win the odd time against the S4, it all depends on what the testers are looking for from a car. Sportauto probably prefer their cars to be playful and I would doubt that even with Sportdiff the S4 will match the 335 on that.

Though I will be interested to see the test in question and translate it to see where the S4 lost.

Regarding the times that ALL Europe mags seem to be off what BWM quote, it's not always the case and some times they do post low fives but most range from 5.2-5.6s. I reckon if that happens and the 60mph mark seem off then look at the times between the likes of 40mph and 100mph or even 120mph, this takes the launch out of the mix and you will see how it compares to the likes of the S4. Though I still believe the S4 is quicker by a fair mark.

[V1.47fan]

Originally Posted by footie

No one should not expect the 335 not to win the odd time against the S4, it all depends on what the testers are looking for from a car. Sportauto probably prefer their cars to be playful and I would doubt that even with Sportdiff the S4 will match the 335 on that.

Though I will be interested to see the test in question and translate it to see where the S4 lost.

Regarding the times that ALL Europe mags seem to be off what BWM quote, it's not always the case and some times they do post low fives but most range from 5.2-5.6s. I reckon if that happens and the 60mph mark seem off then look at the times between the likes of 40mph and 100mph or even 120mph, this takes the launch out of the mix and you will see how it compares to the likes of the S4. Though I still believe the S4 is quicker by a fair mark.

Okay!you convinced me now,the S4 is quicker by a fair mark.

[V1.47fan]

@ Footie

What are the 40-100mph or 50-70 mph passing times for both cars in that comparo?

[footie]

I don't know the 40-100 times but we do have the 50-100mph (80-160km/h) times for both and they are 7.9s and 8.7s respectively for the S4 and 335i which in the real world isn't that great and proves the 335i is holding on well. But when you look at the 100-125mph (160-200km/h) times 7.1s vs 8.5s (1.4s difference) you can see that it's a lot quicker as the speeds increase and in a street race where the limit can go very high the 335i driver will be left behind.

[V1.47fan]

Originally Posted by footie

I don't know the 40-100 times but we do have the 50-100mph (80-160km/h) times for both and they are 7.9s and 8.7s respectively for the S4 and 335i which in the real world isn't that great and proves the 335i is holding on well. But when you look at the 100-125mph (160-200km/h) times 7.1s vs 8.5s (1.4s difference) you can see that it's a lot quicker as the speeds increase and in a street race where the limit can go very high the 335i driver will be left behind.

Are you sure about those 80-160km/h times,that's exotic cars territory.

[footie]

S4 80km/h (3.6s) - 160km/h (11.5s) = 7.9s
335i 80km/h (4.0s) - 160km/h (12.7s) = 8.7s

It's simply maths.

[Robert]

Nice numbers but I would like to see more from other sources.

335i is 225 kw = 300hp, at 1608kg = 3500lbs
S4 is 245 kw = 333 hp, at 1765kg = 3891 lbs

Surprised by how much it beats the 335i at every speed interval. I am going to keep this car in my sights for the next couple years and see how it responds to modifications and reliability. I would like to try out an AWD car with DSG. Sorry guys I have no brand loyalty, I buy the brand that builds the best car for the amount I want to spend.

[Quickstrike]

I've read that the S4 HP figures are probably understated. Just like the 335i's.

[Joey_T]

Originally Posted by footie

S4 80km/h (3.6s) - 160km/h (11.5s) = 7.9s
335i 80km/h (4.0s) - 160km/h (12.7s) = 8.7s

It's simply maths.

Just to add something regarding those numbers. I don't know what the "real world" difference between 335i and 135i is, but the latter (stock of course) can do 80 to 160 km/h under 7 seconds (

).

[V1.47fan]

Originally Posted by footie

S4 80km/h (3.6s) - 160km/h (11.5s) = 7.9s
335i 80km/h (4.0s) - 160km/h (12.7s) = 8.7s

It's simply maths.

80-160km/h passing times are taken from 80km/h to 160km/h in 4th/5th gear,it's not simple maths.

That's a good way to gauge acceleration,takes the launch out of it.That's why a lot of serious car mags use some kind of passing times.

So you don't have the passing times,also for your info with the 335i on greasy roads you can break traction at even speeds like 40mph when shifting.

You disregarded one of the most respected car mag in Europe that gave the 335i a win over the S4 and used AMS numbers from a test conducted on greasy roads to reach the conclusion that the S4 crushed the 335i.

[V1.47fan]

@ Footie,here's an example of passing times.

Acceleration 335i:
80-120km/h 4/5/6 gear: 5.5 s /6.5s / 7.9s
80-160km/h 4/5/6 gear: 11.4s/13,7s/16.7s
80-180km/h 4/5/6 gear: 14,8s/17,8S/ ---

M39 (E46)
80-120km/h 4/5/6 gear: 5,2 s / 6,6 s / 9,5 s
80-160km/h 4/5/6 gear: 10,9 s / 13,9 s / 18,9 s
80-180km/h 4/5/6 gear: 14,1 s / 17,4 s / 25 s

C55
80-120km/h 4/5/6 gear: 6,3 s / 7,9 s / --- s
80-160km/h 4/5/6 gear: 12,8 s / 15,9 s / --- s
80-180km/h 4/5/6 gear: 16,3 s / 20,2 s / - s

[isabayo]

sure the s4 is a better performer than the 335i but isn't it also significantly more expensive when similarly equipped? I'm not sure how the s4 pricing is, but the 335i coupe is similar in price to the a5 and much cheaper than the s5. imo, you can't just compare the performance numbers and say they are competitors. Audi and BMW models don't line up perfectly to be good competitors. Plus take into consideration that 335i's can be be negotiated down quite a bit while the s4 will most likely sold at msrp for at least a year.

[footie]

Originally Posted by V1.47fan

80-160km/h passing times are taken from 80km/h to 160km/h in 4th/5th gear,it's not simple maths.

That's a good way to gauge acceleration,takes the launch out of it.That's why a lot of serious car mags use some kind of passing times.

My apologizes, I misunderstood your question. I must admit I thought it was a bit odd that you wouldn't have done the basic maths yourself.

I honestly don't know the 'in-gear' times of the S4, I would doubt that based on the outright acceleration figures and it's torque curve that the S4 wouldn't at least match or better the 335i. Though until tested we have no way of knowing this of sure.

Originally Posted by V1.47fan

So you don't have the passing times,also for your info with the 335i on greasy roads you can break traction at even speeds like 40mph when shifting.

You disregarded one of the most respected car mag in Europe that gave the 335i a win over the S4 and used AMS numbers from a test conducted on greasy roads to reach the conclusion that the S4 crushed the 335i.

For the 335i to be only 0.4s slower to 50mph (80km/h) compared to the S4 which has awd and incredible traction off the line we can only assume that this 'greasy' road wasn't all that bad after all. But can you say at which point the 335i hasn't got traction issues, could it be 50mph or possibly 60mph? My point is that even when traction is taken out of the equation the S4 is still pulling away by a rate of knots.

Also I totally respect Sportauto's reviews, I am only curious as to why their opinion was different to the other two independent tests. I reckon their requirements might have been different, possibly they prefer the more playful character of the rwd 335i over the more secure awd S4. I wouldn't argue with that opinion, after all I changed from an awd S5 to a rwd M3 but I doubt that their figures differ that much from the ones we all ready have which show the S4 to be quicker in every way.

[NewSong]

Originally Posted by V1.47fan

you're pry getting tired of the 335i scooping all the glory. Ha

More torque won't improve: track times, ET,throttle response, handling ,dick length or diameter.

[NewSong]

Originally Posted by bobbo

Nice numbers but I would like to see more from other sources.

335i is 225 kw = 300hp, at 1608kg = 3500lbs
S4 is 245 kw = 333 hp, at 1765kg = 3891 lbs

Surprised by how much it beats the 335i at every speed interval. I am going to keep this car in my sights for the next couple years and see how it responds to modifications and reliability. I would like to try out an AWD car with DSG. Sorry guys I have no brand loyalty, I buy the brand that builds the best car for the amount I want to spend.

That's pretty much the only thing keeping me from jumping on this car. It pretty much destroys the 335i in every category.

[V1.47fan]

Originally Posted by NewSong

More torque won't improve: track times, ET,throttle response, handling ,dick length or diameter.

Nice to see you learned something,the 335i is a well balanced car,adding more torque won't improve much in handling etc.

SportAuto gave it a win over the S4.