[jikhead]

Originally Posted by avi66

It looks like the glass is single pane in that photo to my eyes.

On my acoustic glass there is a fine line down the centre where the sheets are bonded to the membrane, but it’s not much thicker in total that non acoustic side windows.

That's how my Audi was as well and I wasn't seeing that either in the photo, but thought maybe BMW could be doing it differently.

[MidnightLight]

Originally Posted by TX3M

That is such an unflattering color, particularly for the front end. I can't understand why that's the color they chose for the world debut?

I think it's because this Dune Grey is a new BMW color, so they wanted to show it off. But I agree that it's definitely not the best color for the M50. The Arctic Race Blue they showed on the base trim looks far better.

[Sportstick]

Originally Posted by RigaTony1982

For similar money, I'm not sure how you pick this interior over this:



Not sure if the driving dynamics will make up the difference...

Because that’s an Audi. Never again. Never.

[Cmond]

So happy I got a 24!

[RigaTony1982]

Originally Posted by Sportstick

Because that’s an Audi. Never again. Never.

Owned an A5 coupe before my two BMW’s and had no issues whatsoever. Really liked that car, but to each their own.

[Sportstick]

Originally Posted by RigaTony1982

Owned an A5 coupe before my two BMW’s and had no issues whatsoever. Really liked that car, but to each their own.

We were ready to like/love our A6 as well. Suffered through about 18 months until dumping it. Numerous unsolvable quality failures and blatant dishonesty with a tech we had gotten to know (all too well!) telling us he was ordered to falsify an RO to deny warranty permanently ended the relationship for us. It doesn't matter how good it looks or how well it drives if its a VW/Audi product. Won't touch it again. (P.S. I do read that the A4/A5 program has been of higher quality/reliability than the A6/A7, but the dishonesty was too much for that to ever matter.)

[antzcrashing]

Chris Bangle is laughing his ass off right now.

Gen Z be like: who?

[stone_1]

The Interior is a deal breaker for me, seems to be a bit of a disappointment compared to the current situation generation. I agree that the exterior and the new color look good but the inside might need some more appeal, looks like the new X3 is off my potential buys list as well. The G45 headlight unit only has a single projection lens. Maybe seeing it in person will change your perspective.

[RigaTony1982]

Originally Posted by Sportstick

We were ready to like/love our A6 as well. Suffered through about 18 months until dumping it. Numerous unsolvable quality failures and blatant dishonesty with a tech we had gotten to know (all too well!) telling us he was ordered to falsify an RO to deny warranty permanently ended the relationship for us. It doesn't matter how good it looks or how well it drives if its a VW/Audi product. Won't touch it again. (P.S. I do read that the A4/A5 program has been of higher quality/reliability than the A6/A7, but the dishonesty was too much for that to ever matter.)

Oh yeah. Justifiable in this cause. Crazy how one bad actor can ruin something!

[ST3]

Is it the taillights or the entire rear of the car that doesn’t work for me? Call me crazy, however, the theme (for the rear) seems similar for the X3, G90,F90, and 7 series. It’s what I’d expect from Lexus not BMW. The rest of the exterior on all of those model (excluding 7) are “ok” for me. The interiors do appear to be cost cutting influenced. Will reserve final judgement until I see them in person and drive em.

[hotwasabipeas]

Originally Posted by RigaTony1982

For similar money, I'm not sure how you pick this interior over this:

You're comparing the 2024 SQ5 to a brand-new 2025 X3. The Q5 is also getting a complete redesign for 2025 so wait and see what that's going to look like then we'll talk. Also that tacked-on screen looks like crap in the Audi - that's a total eyesore. The Q7 and Q8 look so much better inside though, I will give Audi credit there.

[RigaTony1982]

Originally Posted by hotwasabipeas

You're comparing the 2024 SQ5 to a brand-new 2025 X3. The Q5 is also getting a complete redesign for 2025 so wait and see what that's going to look like then we'll talk. Also that tacked-on screen looks like crap in the Audi - that's a total eyesore. The Q7 and Q8 look so much better inside though, I will give Audi credit there.

It's not like the screen in the X3 is integrated really well. But I do agree. Not a fan of the tacked on look.

Was reading an article this morning on the new Maserati GranCabrios, and I like the integration that they've done:

[avi66]

Originally Posted by RigaTony1982

It's not like the screen in the X3 is integrated really well. But I do agree. Not a fan of the tacked on look.

Was reading an article this morning on the new Maserati GranCabrios, and I like the integration that they've done:

The downside is the display is lower in the dash, and away from the drivers eye line. Looking down at a screen or non tactile touch operated functions is a big distraction imo.

We have a car with the touch display high up, and a car with the touch display lower down, integrated into the dash. Not that either is safe to use on the move, as it’s really no different to using a mobile phone whist driving, but the higher display works better for me, as it’s closer to eye line whilst driving, kinda glancing across, rather than glancing down.

[RigaTony1982]

Originally Posted by avi66

The downside is the display is lower in the dash, and away from the drivers eye line. Looking down at a screen or non tactile touch operated functions is a big distraction imo.

We have a car with the touch display high up, and a car with the touch display lower down, integrated into the dash. Not that either is safe to use on the move, as it’s really no different to using a mobile phone whist driving, but the higher display works better for me, as it’s closer to eye line whilst driving, kinda glancing across, rather than glancing down.

I'm not a huge fan of everything going into the screens on newer cars. I prefer tactile buttons and such as well. But I see what you're saying with the display being lower and looking down. Didn't really think about that. I've never had a car with a lower display like this. Be curious what it's like to use.

[avi66]

Originally Posted by RigaTony1982

I'm not a huge fan of everything going into the screens on newer cars. I prefer tactile buttons and such as well. But I see what you're saying with the display being lower and looking down. Didn't really think about that. I've never had a car with a lower display like this. Be curious what it's like to use.

I’m with you on the physical buttons, too much form over function thinking in these designs.

I’m not sure the people who design these interfaces actually think of their use whilst driving. BMW’s iDrive controller is one of the better solutions I’ve used, as it avoids attempting to overcome g-force whilst taking your eyes off the road for too long attempting to stab nested display functions. Nested touch display options may work in a Boeing at 35000 feet, but not good in traffic or on demanding roads.

[RigaTony1982]

Originally Posted by avi66

I’m with you on the physical buttons, too much form over function thinking in these designs.

I’m not sure the people who design these interfaces actually think of their use whilst driving. BMW’s iDrive controller is one of the better solutions I’ve used, as it avoids attempting to overcome g-force whilst taking your eyes off the road for too long attempting to stab nested display functions. Nested touch display options may work in a Boeing at 35000 feet, but not good in traffic or on demanding roads.

Yep. Glad my Z4 still has iDrive 7. Not sure what I’ll do when it comes time for something new.

[Ctriggs5]

Man this thing looks hideous

[Xtabi]

Originally Posted by RigaTony1982

For similar money, I'm not sure how you pick this interior over this:



Not sure if the driving dynamics will make up the difference...

Don’t get me wrong I HATE the new X3’s interior in a major way. But I’ve also majorly disliked tacked on non integrated infotainment screens. Audi can take some lessons from their cousin Porsche on that front.

[GooseX3MC]

Decent set of paddle shifters at last …

[dcorn]

Originally Posted by avi66

Beige……. Such a hot colour for a sporty car

LOL agree. BMW has amazing blues and reds, but let's go with a color normally reserved for Toyota TRD models and Ford Raptors...

[e30 4 life!]

People hated the G8X when it first came out. BMW didn't get to where it is today by just going with safe refreshes. Chassis looks very different from last generation and that's the point.

[avi66]

Originally Posted by e30 4 life!

People hated the G8X when it first came out. BMW didn't get to where it is today by just going with safe refreshes. Chassis looks very different from last generation and that's the point.

Look at just how many XM's BMW isn't shifting even with huge discounts. A pig in lipstick is still a pig.

BMW got to where it is today largely based on the performance of its engines and rear-biased driver experience, which increasingly differentiated it from the crowd, and premium feel.

The move to BEV/EV and cheap interiors will kill that, and the increasing competition in a "me too" market will eat at BMW. Probably not too long before BMW is a foot note in automotive history like Volvo, as a Chinese EV player acquires it.