[Littlebear]

Originally Posted by vreihen16

I suspect that it is all a sham for the press, so that the social service agencies can cry for more money.....

Google sees an upsurge, but it's early for conclusive figures. But if folks don't believe media, what can I say?

NBC:
"Suarez says that since the Stay at Home Order began, calls for help have shot up 20 percent.

"[If] they live in small places and the family is large, there’s a bit of stress," Suarez said.

Police statistics reveal that in the city of Los Angeles, as of March 21, aggravated assault crimes, including those of domestic violence, have increased more than 4 percent."

Murf

[vreihen16]

Rise of 4%? That surely justifies the emergency hiring for hundreds of thousands of social sciences majors who suddenly lost their only jobs as census workers to flatten that curve!!!!!

[kscarrol]

And in all fairness, the 4% rise is for all "aggravated assault crimes, including those of domestic violence". They don't actually say domestic violence is up 4%.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Littlebear

Google sees an upsurge, but it's early for conclusive figures. But if folks don't believe media, what can I say?

NBC:
"Suarez says that since the Stay at Home Order began, calls for help have shot up 20 percent.

"[If] they live in small places and the family is large, there's a bit of stress," Suarez said.

Police statistics reveal that in the city of Los Angeles, as of March 21, aggravated assault crimes, including those of domestic violence, have increased more than 4 percent."

Murf

I don't need to listen to the media. I'm out in the streets 4 nights a week, 40+ hours a work week. I can see what's going on at my station. I can also hear the radio across the county (...and being the biggest Sheriff's Dept. in the country, and having friends/partners all over the county), I know what other stations are dealing with as well. When calls for service/obs at my station go from 480-500+ a night down to 280-315 (...or calls at the busiest station in the county drop from 700-800 down to 500-ish), the proof is in the numbers. When law enforcement personnel are "bored", the proof is in the activity. You guys [speaking generally] put way too much weight into what the news reports. Like I said in a post a few days ago, this is the quietest the streets have been in my entire career.

We still have busy nights, but for people to believe that COVID has caused a spike is just incorrect.

[Gel2al2d]

Is it true CHP dont get along with the Sheriffs or vice versa? It must be B2V hahaha

[Sedan_Clan]

What we have seen are an increase in these kinds of calls (...see attachment for further). THIS is just stupid shit to respond to. We get calls for us to tell lil' Susie and Johnny to stay home because of COVID or calls from the parents/grandparents who want to lock lil' Susie and Johnny out because they won't stay home. Really dumb stuff that isn't a crime.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Gel2al2d

Is it true CHP dont get along with the Sheriffs or vice versa? It must be B2V hahaha

No it's not true. When I was with the CHP, we got along fine. Now that I'm with the Sheriff's Dept., we still get along fine. B2V is an entirely different animal, so I stay away from that event completely. Lol!

Some municipal police departments and stations within my department complain about CHP's tactics, but it depends on the station. A CHP station that works rougher areas will/may develop more sound tactics than one that doesn't. The same applies to PD's. If you work the rough areas of the city of L.A. with LAPD, you're going to develop very differently than if you work Irvine with Irvine PD. In the end, law enforcement/fire is full of fraternal gossipy nonsense.

[Gel2al2d]

Ive seen inmates come in from sheriffs stations from East LA pretty badly beaten. Of course the inmate had some fault but wow even custody/CAs/Deps say East LA Sheriffs are brutal.

[Murf993]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

No it's not true. When I was with the CHP, we got along fine. Now that I'm with the Sheriff's Dept., we still get along fine. B2V is an entirely different animal, so I stay away from that event completely. Lol!

Some municipal police departments and stations within my department complain about CHP's tactics, but it depends on the station. A CHP station that works rougher areas will/may develop more sound tactics than one that doesn't. The same applies to PD's. If you work the rough areas of the city of L.A. with LAPD, you're going to develop very differently than if you work Irvine with Irvine PD. In the end, law enforcement/fire is full of fraternal gossipy nonsense.

The police love to gossip, it's like old women.......the other thing is the rumours. We used to say "if you haven't heard a rumour today, then start one".

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Gel2al2d

Ive seen inmate come in from sheriffs from East LA pretty badly beaten. Of course the inmate had some fault but wow ever custody says East LA Sheriffs are brutal.

ELA is full of gang members (...Mariana, Maravilla, etc.). Those dudes fight with us all of the time. If you fight the cops, prepare for the repercussions. It's not a game out there.

[Murf993]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

ELA is full of gang members (...Mariana, Maravilla, etc.). Those dudes fight with us all of the time. If you fight the cops, prepare for the repercussions. It's not a game out there.

The cops don't beat people for no reason. Use of force is a pain in the ass and it's a response to behaviour, but so many people immediately assumes police brutality. These are the same people that have never had to handcuff someone who doesn't want to be handcuffed.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Murf993

The cops don't people for no reason. Use of force is a pain in the ass and it's a response to behaviour, but so many people immediately assumes police brutality. These are the same people that have never had to handcuff someone who doesn't want to be handcuffed.

Exactly!

[Littlebear]

Originally Posted by kscarrol

And in all fairness, the 4% rise is for all "aggravated assault crimes, including those of domestic violence". They don't actually say domestic violence is up 4%.

I'm as surprised as anyone with that 4% #, and also with Sedan saying he sees no increase in dom violence. I think both sources are valid.
Domestic violence is considered one of the under reported 'silent crimes'.

Murf

[Murf993]

Originally Posted by Littlebear

I'm as surprised as anyone with that 4% #, and also with Sedan saying he sees no increase in dom violence. I think both sources are valid.
Domestic violence is considered one of the under reported 'silent crimes'.

Murf

Domestic violence is a complicated issue and is tracked differently in different jurisdictions and by different social groups. That is to say, what is the definition of "domestic violence"? And until there is a universally excepted definition and method of tracking it makes it very difficult to say if domestic violence has increased or not.

[kscarrol]

Originally Posted by Littlebear

I'm as surprised as anyone with that 4% #, and also with Sedan saying he sees no increase in dom violence. I think both sources are valid.
Domestic violence is considered one of the under reported 'silent crimes'.

Murf

I'm not disputing the 4% number nor trying to downplay domestic violence. My only point is the 4% number is for ALL aggravated assaults which covers a broad range of violent crimes so we can't simply assume all of the 4% increase is due to domestic violence.

[Murf993]

Originally Posted by kscarrol

I'm not disputing the 4% number nor trying to downplay domestic violence. My only point is the 4% number is for ALL aggravated assaults which covers a broad range of violent crimes so we can't simply assume all of the 4% increase is due to domestic violence.

You are correct in that this number seems to suggest that "all types" of assaults are up and doesn't differentiate between assault and domestic violence.

Another thing I'd say as a challenge for the USA is every state has it's own penal code, so there may be different definitions of assaults from state to state.

In Canada "aggravated assault" is defined as wounds, maims, disfigures or endangers life. This is a lesser and included offence of Attempt Murder which is an extremely difficult offence to prove so aggravated is often used instead. But in Canada, the Criminal Code is a federal statute and is used and applied similarly in all provinces.

[Littlebear]

Originally Posted by kscarrol

I'm not disputing the 4% number nor trying to downplay domestic violence. My only point is the 4% number is for ALL aggravated assaults which covers a broad range of violent crimes so we can't simply assume all of the 4% increase is due to domestic violence.

Point taken. Notice that the LA #s NBC gave are from March 21, almost a month ago. The NYT reported a 25% increase in Russia. I don't think the #s are shaken out yet.

Murf

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Littlebear

Point taken. Notice that the LA #s NBC gave are from March 21, almost a month ago. The NYT reported a 25% increase in Russia. I don't think the #s are shaken out yet.

Murf

Even our Sheriff is on record stating crimes are down, so it boggles my mind how the news gathers this data when they don't respond to DV calls, etc.

There have been nights during this pandemic where we have gone 4 hours without one single call for service. That is HUGE! Keep in mind that I work 10 hour graveyard shifts. When people are murdered, beaten, robbed, etc., it usually happens during the hours that I work. Nothing good happens on the streets after midnight.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Murf993

You are correct in that this number seems to suggest that "all types" of assaults are up and doesn't differentiate between assault and domestic violence.

Another thing I'd say as a challenge for the USA is every state has it's own penal code, so there may be different definitions of assaults from state to state.

In Canada "aggravated assault" is defined as wounds, maims, disfigures or endangers life. This is a lesser and included offence of Attempt Murder which is an extremely difficult offence to prove so aggravated is often used instead. But in Canada, the Criminal Code is a federal statute and is used and applied similarly in all provinces.

Same here for the most part with regards to the "aggravated" qualifier.

[premier3is]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

What we have seen are an increase in these kinds of calls (...see attachment for further). THIS is just stupid shit to respond to. We get calls for us to tell lil' Susie and Johnny to stay home because of COVID or calls from the parents/grandparents who want to lock lil' Susie and Johnny out because they won't stay home. Really dumb stuff that isn't a crime.

What the fuck did I just read on that computer screen....

Those are the people I wish you'd pull up on and beat down with a batton for being dumb as fuck. Do us all a favor and throw them in a cell.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by premier3is

What the fuck did I just read on that computer screen....

Those are the people I wish you'd pull up on and beat down with a batton for being dumb as fuck. Do us all a favor and throw them in a cell.

It's ridiculous in a way that I can't even articulate.

[UncleWede]

Coughing AND yelling???

Cats and dogs, living together