[Mavus]

Originally Posted by Tyresian

I'm excited as well.

Acura / Honda has fantastic reliability and getting that long-term reliability with a good amount of power at a lower price than the higher end luxury brands is exactly what they are about.

I do hope TLX is fun to drive. I really loved my 2005 TL. The 2010 TL SH-AWD I had was definitely more luxurious but lost some of the fun.

Of course this car keeps getting bigger and bigger so I shouldn't hold my breath. But I'm glad to see them try something better than the same old bland they've been serving the past 10 years.

It is too bad they didn't stick closer to the Type S Concept but hey, it is still closer than their previous concepts so that's something good.

Acura and Honda reliability is not what it used to be. Check out the latest data.

I had 08tls and it was an understeering pig. Horrid chassis with 70% of the weight over front axle. The engine seized at 72k mi. Also had 03 tls and it was ok dd but another understeering pig. xmsn died at 95k but was covered due to class action law suit.

It seems to me they are using sh awd to mask budget chassis but I'll wait until more details are available. This should have come out 5-7 years ago and they should have developed rwd chasssis by now.

[Dog Face Pony Soldier]

Originally Posted by Smooth 330i

It seems to me they are using sh awd to mask budget chassis...

What makes you call this a "budget" chassis? Is this purely because it's not RWD, or is there some other reason?

[Dog Face Pony Soldier]

"Around $45k" for the Type S sounds pretty good considering there probably won't be a lot of expensive options, and this car is larger than a 330i xDrive, and has 100 more HP despite being around the same price.

[Mavus]

Originally Posted by Dog Face Pony Soldier

What makes you call this a "budget" chassis? Is this purely because it's not RWD, or is there some other reason?

The benchmark model is audi s4 and not bmw. I am glad they are using unique components and doble wishbone suspension again but the layout is most likely based on fwd architecture with engine over the front axle.

I am more excited about Mazda's rwd I6 platform.

[DocWeatherington]

Originally Posted by Dog Face Pony Soldier

"Around $45k" for the Type S sounds pretty good considering there probably won't be a lot of expensive options, and this car is larger than a 330i xDrive, and has 100 more HP despite being around the same price.

I'm betting fully loaded it will be 56-60k. Unless Acura does a we can offer S4 performce at G70 prices as that is 54k loaded.

[Dog Face Pony Soldier]

Originally Posted by Smooth 330i

The benchmark model is audi s4 and not bmw. I am glad they are using unique components and doble wishbone suspension again but the layout is most likely based on fwd architecture with engine over the front axle.

I am more excited about Mazda's rwd I6 platform.

I was referencing a BMW 330i xDrive because this is a BMW forum, but if for whatever reason you want to pick an Audi, an S Line A4 is their vehicle around the same price and equipment.

[Dog Face Pony Soldier]

Originally Posted by DocWeatherington

I'm betting fully loaded it will be 56-60k. Unless Acura does a we can offer S4 performce at G70 prices as that is 54k loaded.

Nah- I'll bet Acura won't offer more than ~$5k in options on top of the Type S trim. I don't think you're going to be able to get much over $50k.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by Dog Face Pony Soldier

I was referencing a BMW 330i xDrive because this is a BMW forum, but if for whatever reason you want to pick an Audi, an S Line A4 is their vehicle around the same price and equipment.

Acura is using the Audi as a benchmark in their press materials, hence why he said that, they probably feel like they are more competitive with them rather than BMW or Benz because of the FWD architecture.

[Mavus]

Originally Posted by jstein55

Acura is using the Audi as a benchmark in their press materials, hence why he said that, they probably feel like they are more competitive with them rather than BMW or Benz because of the FWD architecture.

yes exactly ... thanks for additional clarification

[Mavus]

Originally Posted by Dog Face Pony Soldier

I was referencing a BMW 330i xDrive because this is a BMW forum, but if for whatever reason you want to pick an Audi, an S Line A4 is their vehicle around the same price and equipment.

330xi will be most likey ~150-200 lbs lighter so the numbers may be closer than it appears based on hp only. 330i with lsd may be faster around the ring at ~3500 lbs. I am guessing Acura wlll be ~3900 lbs if not more. BMW also underrates engines as we all know. It will be interesting ...

[freakystyly]

https://www.thedrive.com/news/35231/...0i-and-audi-s4

[DocWeatherington]

Originally Posted by Dog Face Pony Soldier

Nah- I'll bet Acura won't offer more than ~$5k in options on top of the Type S trim. I don't think you're going to be able to get much over $50k.

Time will tell, but I think they will undercut the top-spec German cars fully loaded by 3-5k at best. Acura is 2nd tier for sure but so is Volvo, Genesis, Infiniti, and Cadillac.

Even a full-tilt Q50 is 62k, XE 63k, CT5 63k, S60 66k, S4 67k, C43 68k, M40xi 68...

The only outliner is the G70 at 54k- If a fully loaded Type is is low 50s it will be a steal for sure.

Then again 2020 IS350 is 52k... curious to see what the 21 is priced at but it isn't competitive anymore

[Dog Face Pony Soldier]

Originally Posted by DocWeatherington

Time will tell, but I think they will undercut the top-spec German cars fully loaded by 3-5k at best. Acura is 2nd tier for sure but so is Volvo, Genesis, Infiniti, and Cadillac.

Even a full-tilt Q50 is 62k, XE 63k, CT5 63k, S60 66k, S4 67k, C43 68k, M40xi 68...

The only outliner is the G70 at 54k- If a fully loaded Type is is low 50s it will be a steal for sure.

Then again 2020 IS350 is 52k... curious to see what the 21 is priced at but it isn't competitive anymore

Acura said the price was around $45k for the Type S. Acura isn't a German manufacturer that offers $20k in options on top of their top trim. I predict one or two packages that will probably amount to another $5k... So we're talking about a fully loaded Type S @ ~$50k.

The above is why I think a loaded Type S is PRICED like a loaded 330i xDrive or A4... OR a stripped/base M340i or S4. This makes sense to me.

[Burrcold]

Originally Posted by freakystyly

https://www.thedrive.com/news/35231/...0i-and-audi-s4

They should do some homework and not quote one with the side mirrors for the width of the car and one without...

[heavyD^2]

Unless Honda has made some serious modifications to their 10 speed auto it's probably going to be a weak point vs vehicles sporting the ZF8. Lots of reports about harsh shifting.

[DocWeatherington]

Originally Posted by Dog Face Pony Soldier

Acura said the price was around $45k for the Type S. Acura isn't a German manufacturer that offers $20k in options on top of their top trim. I predict one or two packages that will probably amount to another $5k... So we're talking about a fully loaded Type S @ ~$50k.

The above is why I think a loaded Type S is PRICED like a loaded 330i xDrive or A4... OR a stripped/base M340i or S4. This makes sense to me.

Not the full pricing...

https://acuranews.com/en-US/releases...late-september

Note the prices don't include the $1050 for shipping.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by DocWeatherington

Not the full pricing...

https://acuranews.com/en-US/releases...late-september

That is a little too expensive for the 4-cylinder model. $50k gets a nicely equipped V6 G70.

[DocWeatherington]

Originally Posted by jstein55

That is a little too expensive for the 4-cylinder model. $50k gets a nicely equipped V6 G70.

That is true...but 48k in the German set - is a value- that $4500 less than a fully loaded A4, 10K less than a loaded 330xi

Acura isn't targeting Genesis or even Lexus, it's after the Germans.

Only time will tell if it's worth it. Honda has done a good job on the current-gen accord.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by DocWeatherington

That is true...but 48k in the German set - is a value.

Acura isn't targeting Genesis or even Lexus, it's after the Germans.

Only time will tell if it's worth it. Honda has done a good job on the current-gen accord.

True, I do wonder how many people really cross shop German vs Japanese. It always seemed like one of those situations where if you were looking at Japanese you stuck with Japanese for quality and reliability and because of that German wasn't an option. If only Honda would invest in a RWD platform...

[DocWeatherington]

Originally Posted by jstein55

True, I do wonder how many people really cross shop German vs Japanese. It always seemed like one of those situations where if you were looking at Japanese you stuck with Japanese for quality and reliability and because of that German wasn't an option. If only Honda would invest in a RWD platform...

I think with the current crop of cars the idea of reliability is moot. When Toyota is using BMW powertrains it probably has high reliability.

Most cars now the reliability isn't in powertrain its in the new tech/features- software.

I agree Honda needs an RWD platform. But, I think they will follow the Audi path and FWD with AWD as an option.

The elephant in the Japanese room is Madza and the rumored Inline 6 RWD Mazda 6.

[Dog Face Pony Soldier]

Originally Posted by DocWeatherington

Not the full pricing...

https://acuranews.com/en-US/releases...late-september

Note the prices don't include the $1050 for shipping.

The bigger news is Acura's revision where now the Type S will be "well equipped for low to mid $50k."

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by DocWeatherington

I think with the current crop of cars the idea of reliability is moot. When Toyota is using BMW powertrains it probably has high reliability.

Most cars now the reliability isn't in powertrain its in the new tech/features- software.

I agree Honda needs an RWD platform. But, I think they will follow the Audi path and FWD with AWD as an option.

The elephant in the Japanese room is Madza and the rumored Inline 6 RWD Mazda 6.

Agree, Japanese reliability isn't what it use to be, although the general public probably just associates Japanese cars more with reliability and quality still even if they no longer are (especially Nissan and Honda).

Mazda is the biggest underdog in the market who I truly root for. Luckily they have Toyota backing them (and they have stake in Mazda) so they'll stick around for a while, but they make some great cars. My son loves them, he has a 6 Signature, and NB Miata, and he bought the wife a CX-9, all excellent cars. A RWD+I6 Mazda6 will be a game changer for sure, I will put my money where my mouth is if everything works out well.