[Higgs Boson]

gas was $1 in 1992 and is $3.50 in 2022 (average so don't say anything about Commiefornia prices lol)

inflation from 92 to 02 would have put gas at $2 so gas has outpaced inflation. but, how much of that is due to taxes or other government intervention or higher profit margins rather than just the pure cost of gas being higher? it's not so cut and dry to use this as a comparison, imo.

this is probably a better chart if you want to compare gas to inflation even though it's a little old you get the idea.




The only other thing I wonder I guess is if the planet will save itself. From a capitalist viewpoint, something will always fill the void, so will the planet grow bigger trees (for example) because carbon dioxide levels raise in order to maintain homeostasis? Or will mother earth just let herself implode? I am sure the science isn't being done in a vacuum but humans, in fact all life, has survived the heating and cooling of the earth many many times. I'd be more worried about getting drilled by a big space rock, lol. If it weren't for those, we wouldn't even be here.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by Higgs Boson

gas was $1 in 1992 and is $3.50 in 2022 (average so don't say anything about Commiefornia prices lol)

inflation from 92 to 02 would have put gas at $2 so gas has outpaced inflation. but, how much of that is due to taxes or other government intervention or higher profit margins rather than just the pure cost of gas being higher? it's not so cut and dry to use this as a comparison, imo.

this is probably a better chart if you want to compare gas to inflation even though it's a little old you get the idea.




The only other thing I wonder I guess is if the planet will save itself. From a capitalist viewpoint, something will always fill the void, so will the planet grow bigger trees (for example) because carbon dioxide levels raise in order to maintain homeostasis? Or will mother earth just let herself implode? I am sure the science isn't being done in a vacuum but humans, in fact all life, has survived the heating and cooling of the earth many many times. I'd be more worried about getting drilled by a big space rock, lol. If it weren't for those, we wouldn't even be here.

In this data-rich thread... your graph shows exactly what I said.

[Higgs Boson]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

In this data-rich thread... your graph shows exactly what I said.

I agree, nor am I picking sides, but to be fair, you did pick the spike year to compare against, lol. Verrrry clever.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by Higgs Boson

I agree, nor am I picking sides, but to be fair, you did pick the spike year to compare against, lol. Verrrry clever.

I wasn't picking a "spike year" on purpose; I picked it because I started driving in 1978, and I had not even looked at the data when I made that statement. Regardless, even your graphical data shows what my point is, that on average, gasoline pricing has stayed constant over 40+ years (even trending down from '32 to 2000), where one would expect it to trend up based on scarcity of the finite resource. And add on top the miles driven per year has drastically increased along with 14.3 cents of tax increase.

[BGM-M3COMP]

I look foward to seeing what this monster EV hellcat can do!

[chris719]

Originally Posted by beachBmmr

Fukushima and industrial petrochemical farming is going to destroy our planet, starting with the ecosystem and food chain long before fossil fuel burning.. come on, get with the right man made apocalypse

Fukushima, really? Did you take Physics 101? Maybe this is sarcasm?

[chris719]

Originally Posted by SickGTR

Torque is where it's at!! I want as much torque at the lowest RPM possible. So much fun!!!!!

Sounds like you want an EV.

[SickGTR]

Originally Posted by chris719

Sounds like you want an EV.

Nah. Not yet. I love the sound and that sweet smell of E-85 burning. Plus, I have a vehicle that can hang with the Tesla's. As of now😵*💫

[Donatello.]

Originally Posted by Murf993

So the Hellcat appeals to my inner teenager. I was 16 in 1977 when muscle cars and cruising were the thing to do. I had a 69 Firebird with some mods that a 16 year old could do and afford. Friends drove big block Chevelle's, Vettes, Cougars, 57 Chevy's, Road Runners etc.

How do you like the Hellcat and what are your feelings about the evolution?

The evolution is being shoved down our throats by the government and bigwigs that want more millions. I do not like it.

Love the Hellcat. I daily it. The only daily driver car I'd trade it for is the CT5 V Blackwing, but not at their current price tag.

[FrankMstein]

Originally Posted by beachBmmr

Fukushima and industrial petrochemical farming is going to destroy our planet, starting with the ecosystem and food chain long before fossil fuel burning.. come on, get with the right man made apocalypse

Around 2003/4 the US decided to buy up all the worlds depleted weapons grade uranium and plutonium (spent Nuclear Fuel, SNF) and reprocess it and pelletize it into power generation grade. I worked on the (Mixed OXide) MOX box program for Savannah River. My design was approved however it was shutdown. The US bought the plans for the MOX from the French.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOX_fuel

I also worked on centering Boronated Carbide (B4C) the buffer rod in a reactor that are in SNF dry storage containers in a few states where reactors are. B4C is only made in a few places and can only have a ppm of 0 for a reason.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dry_cask_storage

I also worked on the Stellarator project.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stellarator

There is so much the general population doesn't even know about that goes on in the government and elsewhere. Alot of nerdy reading, but I had to create a lot of it. Many people are trying to find ways to dispose of the past decisions and find new alternatives that are clean and non-impactful to the environment. I am in favor of preserving the environment in more ways than one. Some don't give a shit about it and it's evident here.

Save the planet

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by SickGTR

Nah. Not yet. I love the sound and that sweet smell of E-85 burning. Plus, I have a vehicle that can hang with the Tesla's. As of now😵*💫

Isn't the R36 going to be EV?

I don't think nissan is even going to play with the idea of a hybrid GTR. Everyone is transitioning and the great thing about what's going on, even though a lot are opposed to it, is that all the cars we love and know of today, will be insanely fast EV's.

Trust me you guys want this. Especially if you're not a fan of tesla. Because they are running away with this technology and everyone is sitting on the sidelines.

So i would hope you're rooting for your favorite car to become EV, it's the only way to compete in the future.

[SickGTR]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

Isn't the R36 going to be EV?

I don't think nissan is even going to play with the idea of a hybrid GTR. Everyone is transitioning and the great thing about what's going on, even though a lot are opposed to it, is that all the cars we love and know of today, will be insanely fast EV's.

Trust me you guys want this. Especially if you're not a fan of tesla. Because they are running away with this technology and everyone is sitting on the sidelines.

So i would hope you're rooting for your favorite car to become EV, it's the only way to compete in the future.

Well, like you I'm trying to get a Z06. I'm in no rush for an EV. I have nothing against them. Someday I will grab one. Not sure about the R-36. Honestly, I would rather get an R-34 and build it to my liking. That is still a bit away. But if I get one at the end of 22, that will give me a year to build it up. I'm a fan of having something on the road that most don't!! Who knows what will happen.

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by SickGTR

Well, like you I'm trying to get a Z06. I'm in no rush for an EV. I have nothing against them. Someday I will grab one. Not sure about the R-36. Honestly, I would rather get an R-34 and build it to my liking. That is still a bit away. But if I get one at the end of 22, that will give me a year to build it up. I'm a fan of having something on the road that most don't!! Who knows what will happen.

The C8Z isn't the only car i'll own. I always had multiple cars. I like variety.

I think an EV, for me at least, would be something good to own now, at least to daily. Something simple, very quick to get around traffic, merging on the highway, passing people etc. That's why i want one.

It's crazy to think that how valuable, rare and desirable a corvette will be now. Back then people said they were everywhere. And if you talk about numbers, they are everywhere. The only thing is, owners don't take them out often. So technically they are rare lol.

I say out of almost 2 decades of owning corvettes. Besides going to car meets to see other corvettes, i might have saw a total of 30 or so roaming the streets.

That's 30 times in about 20 years.

Seems rare to me LOL

[PfizerP]

Originally Posted by beachBmmr

No offense taken, but you are making several wrong assumptions.

1. I am born and raised in america, red blooded meat eating, gun toting american.
2. Just cause I see this doesnt mean I like it.
3. EVs are not environmentally friendly. Slave labor mined rare earth elements, fossil fueled electric generation
4. I dont believe in global warming, its a scam to control industrial output and drive down all labor costs to the lowest common denometer.

I am petrochemical addict, and would not voluntarily submit to this, however consider the impact of spark plugs becoming regulated, or priced out of reach, or some other very elemental part of an ICE becoming unobtainable. Thats how this will be implemented.. Global _Fill_in_the_blank shortage/rationing special approval needed...

I get all of your other points but how can you not believe in global warming? Its been scientifically proven over and over. Its not a scam.

[H2O_Doc]

Originally Posted by PfizerP

I get all of your other points but how can you not believe in global warming? Its been scientifically proven over and over. Its not a scam.

Agreed. It's something that was predicted over a century ago based on really basic and demonstrable physics.

[x3sm]

Originally Posted by FrankMstein

Around 2003/4 the US decided to buy up all the worlds depleted weapons grade uranium and plutonium (spent Nuclear Fuel, SNF) and reprocess it and pelletize it into power generation grade. I worked on the (Mixed OXide) MOX box program for Savannah River. My design was approved however it was shutdown. The US bought the plans for the MOX from the French.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOX_fuel

I also worked on centering Boronated Carbide (B4C) the buffer rod in a reactor that are in SNF dry storage containers in a few states where reactors are. B4C is only made in a few places and can only have a ppm of 0 for a reason.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dry_cask_storage

I also worked on the Stellarator project.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stellarator

There is so much the general population doesn't even know about that goes on in the government and elsewhere. Alot of nerdy reading, but I had to create a lot of it. Many people are trying to find ways to dispose of the past decisions and find new alternatives that are clean and non-impactful to the environment. I am in favor of preserving the environment in more ways than one. Some don't give a shit about it and it's evident here.

Save the planet

What do you mean? Can you expand on that?

Also, I'm guessing they shut it down because Nuclear Plants are not going to be a thing anymore?

[x3sm]

Originally Posted by H2O_Doc

Agreed. It's something that was predicted over a century ago based on really basic and demonstrable physics.

Not that I'm denying global warming, but plant warming up is one thing, global warming due to human contribution is whole different thing. What I'm saying is it's not just about Physics, if Physics proves it, then it mainly seems like a natural earth cycle, where earth heats up and cools down. Global warming due to human lifestyle is a different thing. Here in the US we consume, consume and consume, we don't fix things, we throw away and go buy new because we can afford it. Seems funny to me that we are fighting global warming with EVs instead of maybe changing our lifestyles? I'm not sure I'm ready to change though...

[H2O_Doc]

Originally Posted by x3sm

Not that I'm denying global warming, but plant warming up is one thing, global warming due to human contribution is whole different thing. What I'm saying is it's not just about Physics, if Physics proves it, then it mainly seems like a natural earth cycle, where earth heats up and cools down. Global warming due to human lifestyle is a different thing. Here in the US we consume, consume and consume, we don't fix things, we throw away and go buy new because we can afford it. Seems funny to me that we are fighting global warming with EVs instead of maybe changing our lifestyles? I'm not sure I'm ready to change though...

I think you're certainly correct that this is significantly about human behavior and that there is more to address (much more) than the internal combustion engine.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by x3sm

Not that I'm denying global warming, but plant warming up is one thing, global warming due to human contribution is whole different thing. What I'm saying is it's not just about Physics, if Physics proves it, then it mainly seems like a natural earth cycle, where earth heats up and cools down.

There is a very important distinction between the current rise in temperature and the long-term cycles.

[stein_325i]

Confirmed: Next-Gen Dodge Charger, Challenger Will Be Electric Only

Originally Posted by Motor1

In an email to Motor1.com, a Dodge spokesperson confirmed the next-generation platform will not only lose the Hemi V8, but all internal-combustion engines. The email conversation stemmed from a MotorTrend story stating the Hemi would return for the future Charger and Challenger models. In fact, it will be a purely electric affair.

"The story is incorrect," said the spokesperson. "The Hemi in that platform, as well as that platform, are going away. The next generation will be BEV."

[Donatello.]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

Confirmed: Next-Gen Dodge Charger, Challenger Will Be Electric Only

Guess I have to keep my Hellcat. Will they call the EV Hellcat the Rabbit?

[whofelt]

Originally Posted by Sedoy

Don't freak out. The average American commutes like 16 miles/day and if charged at home you always leave with full (or at least 80%) battery. People without home charges will be able to charge at work, public places, groceries shops etc. Plus post pandemic time everybody sitting home ordering sh!t from Amazon and get their food delivered. Also, it will probably take the industry many years to convert everything to electric. We will be ok.

not in California my boy